If you use a Local Account (which requires bypassing the OOBE internet check during setup) or explicitly disable key backup, the key never leaves the TPM. The issue isn't the encryption algorithm its the convenience selection.
Microsoft will give the FBI a Windows PC data encryption key if ordered
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
This make little to no sense. This is being reported on because it seems newsworthy and a departure from the norm. Apple also categorically says they refuse such requests. It's a private device. With private data. Device and data owned by the owner. Using sleight of hand and words to coax a password into a shared cloud and beyond just seems to indicate the cloud is someone else's computer, and you are putting the key…
Firstly, Apple does not refuse such requests. In fact, it was very widely publicized in the past couple of weeks that Apple has removed Advanced Data Protection for users in the UK. So while US users still enjoy Advanced Data Protection from Apple, UK users do not. It is entirely possible that Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature is removed legally by the US as well, if the regime decides they want to target it.…
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#174The headline is misleading. It says that Microsoft will provide the key if asked , but the linked statement to Forbes says Microsoft will provide the key if it receives a valid legal order . These have different meanings. Microsoft is legally entitled to refuse a request from law enforcement, and subject to criminal penalties if it refuses a valid legal order. It does illustrate a significant vulnerability in that Mi…
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#176These sorts of things should be very unsurprising to the people who depend on them...
Re: Microsoft will give the FBI a Windows PC data encryption key if ordered
#177The headline is misleading. It says that Microsoft will provide the key if asked , but the linked statement to Forbes says Microsoft will provide the key if it receives a valid legal order . These have different meanings. Microsoft is legally entitled to refuse a request from law enforcement, and subject to criminal penalties if it refuses a valid legal order. It does illustrate a significant vulnerability in that Mi…
Is it meaningfully misleading? How often is this an obstacle for the FBI?
It could be a bigger obstacle for other agencies. CBP can hold a device carried by someone crossing the border without judicial oversight. ICE is in the midst of a hiring surge and from what I've read lately, has an abbreviated screening and training process likely not matching the rigor of the FBI. Local law enforcement agencies vary greatly.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a crypto architecture design choice, MS opted for the user-friendly key escrow option instead of the more secure strong local key - that requires a competent user setting a strong password and saving recovery codes, understanding the disastrous implication of a key loss etc. Given the abilities of the median MS client, the better choice is not obvious at all, while "protecting from a nation-state adversary" wa…
While you're right, they also went out of their way to prevent competent users from using local accounts and/or not upload their BitLocker keys. I could understand if the default is an online account + automatic key upload, but only if you add an opt-out option to it. It might not even be visible by default, like, idk, hide it somewhere so that you can be sure that the median MS user won't see it and won't think abou…
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#180Beyond the crypto architecture debate, I don't really understand how could anyone imagine a world where MS could just refuse such a request. How exactly would we draft laws to this effect, "the authorities can subpoena for any piece of evidence, except when complying to such a request might break the contractual obligations of a third party towards the suspect"? Do we really, really, fully understand the implications…
> don't really understand how could anyone imagine a world where MS could just refuse such a request By simply not having the ability to do so. Of course Microsoft should comply with the law, expecting anything else is ridiculous. But they themselves made sure that they had the ability to produce the requested information.
I'm honestly not entirely convinced that disk encryption be enabled by default. How much of a problem was stolen personal laptops really? Corporate machine, sure, but leave the master key with the IT department.