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Re: Koralm Railway

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Its sister tunnel - the Semmering Base Tunnel [0] - is scheduled to be completed in 2030. These two combined greatly reduce the travel time from Vienna to Graz and Klagenfurt (combined 1h 15m time saving). You don't hear that much about great engineering projects today, yet it's still an incredible feat to build those. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semmering_Base_Tunnel

> You don't hear that much about great engineering projects today Here's a great engineering project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_test_tunnel

Serious question about hyperloop trains running in a vacuum. How do you cool the carriages?

Re: Koralm Railway

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Austria is a net contributor to the EU, contributing 30% more than it receives (very roughly contributes 3 billion and receives 2). Now I am sure that Austria has benefited from EU membership, but this is not one of the areas.

As an Austrian, the benefit is that the funding decision didn't get made at the Austrian level. The funds are less useful if they're in the hands of our government.

They do get made at national level. That's because, for example, what to build is decided at national level, then they bid for EU funding as part of financing of the project.

Basically yoy bid to get some of your money back...

Re: Koralm Railway

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Actually, the tunnel itself was only 17 years: 1998: Start of construction of the Koralm Railway 2008: Start of construction of the Koralm Tunnel 2018: Breakthrough Koralm Tunnel 2020: Final Koralm tunnel breakthrough 2025: This announcement ( https://orf.at/stories/3414173/ in German) https://infrastruktur.oebb.at/en/projects-for-austria/railwa...

Given the terrain and the amount of tunneling needed, completing such a project in 17 years isn't that bad. Seems software neckbeards on HN are equally as guilty of underestimating the difficulty of other people's work like the managers they complain about.

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Re: Koralm Railway

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Interstate 70 in Colorado is very problematic. It is constantly backed up. Colorado needs to learn from this and get serious about rail for shipping and for human travel.

I feel you man. Problem is that would be a major dollar infrastructure problem that would need federal dollars. With a deficit over 40T dollars and political wind blowing against more federal spending generally and Colorado not being a favored state at the moment I'd say the chances are slim of it happening in the next three years. It would be boffo if some liberal corporate billionaire put his shoulder against the p…

> and political wind blowing against more federal spending generally

Federal non-defense spending in the US is as high as ever (ignoring the brief COVID spike) https://www.cato.org/blog/century-federal-spending-1925-2025

Re: Koralm Railway

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Austria is the only European country I've been to that doesn't have cheap affordable intercity buses. Seemingly none at all. It was kind of strange... Does anyone know why? The only options to get around was the expensive train system - and anyone I asked was bewildered why I would want to take a bus.. Maybe next time I should look in to carpooling or some other options. How do low income people get around typically?…

I would blame how Austria, a very small country, is organized into 9 provinces that actually have their own budget and can pass their own laws on some topics.

Rail service is funded at the federal level, so there's less arguing about who pays for what. Bus service, however, is managed by regional transport associations funded by the provinces. This creates disincentives for cross-province bus routes because no single province wants to pay more than its 'fair' share for a service that primarily benefits voters in another province.

Similar dynamics play out at the city/province level. Take Linz, the provincial capital of Upper Austria: the city has had a social democratic (SPÖ) mayor continuously since 1945, while the province has had a conservative (ÖVP) governor for exactly the same period of 80 years. This disincentivizes the province government from helping to fund public transport within or into the city, because it's a win for social democratic city voters, while the more conservative rural voters would rather take the car anyway since they often can't do the whole trip by public transport.

Arguably the reason for the excellent public transport in the city of Vienna is that they are also their own province. Their mayor/governor, who has been a social democrat as well for the last 80 years, always controls both levels of funding.

Re: Koralm Railway

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Austrian, the benefit is that the funding decision didn't get made at the Austrian level. The funds are less useful if they're in the hands of our government.

They do get made at national level. That's because, for example, what to build is decided at national level, then they bid for EU funding as part of financing of the project. Basically yoy bid to get some of your money back...

Yes - the final decision whether the money gets spent is at the EU level.

Which is much better than at the Austrian politics level.

Re: Koralm Railway

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Austria is the only European country I've been to that doesn't have cheap affordable intercity buses. Seemingly none at all. It was kind of strange... Does anyone know why? The only options to get around was the expensive train system - and anyone I asked was bewildered why I would want to take a bus.. Maybe next time I should look in to carpooling or some other options. How do low income people get around typically?…

To tell you the truth I was shocked how expensive trains are in whole Europe. Like arent railroads the cheapest and easiest type of road to be built. For real, to get a fair price you would need to book the train like 2 months before the trip.

Re: Koralm Railway

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Another one between Italy, Austria and by extension Germany is scheduled for 2032 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenner_Base_Tunnel

Isn't Italy a little geologically unstable? I'd be a bit nervous, going through a long tunnel, in a region known for vulcanism and earthquakes.

Let me introduce you to the Seikan Tunnel [1] between the islands of Honshu and Hokkaido in Japan, 53.85km with 23.3km of that under the sea.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikan_Tunnel

Re: Koralm Railway

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Isn't Italy a little geologically unstable? I'd be a bit nervous, going through a long tunnel, in a region known for vulcanism and earthquakes.

Let me introduce you to the Seikan Tunnel [1] between the islands of Honshu and Hokkaido in Japan, 53.85km with 23.3km of that under the sea. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikan_Tunnel

Now, that’s scary. I do know that the Japanese have the world’s best anti-earthquake architecture (because they need it), but it’s still scary.
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