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Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by timschmidt »

oreally wrote: post #166
timschmidt wrote: post #156

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> I can guarantee you any gamedev worth his salt will have used alt-tab at some point in the game's development on windows. Not exactly a repeatable testing framework, that. > You seem to be trying really hard. I almost strained a typing finger! /s lol > Most devs are using cross platform graphics APIs. OpenGL/DirectX/Vulkan. Alt-tab breaking is likely an OS issue. All the OSes seem to suffer from it similarly. More…

Yea I don't know how you can consider something as not 'tested' without a testing framework behind it.

Perhaps you're not a software developer. Most devs understand that there's a big difference between "it worked for me a few times on my development workstation" and "it's routinely tested in all possible configurations under a variety of circumstances as part of a test harness or CI/CD process".

In fairness to game devs, alt-tab'ing out of a running game would be a challenge for many testing frameworks as it's not something you can do at compile time, requires running the game for a period of time (CI servers don't typically have GPUs), requires some sort of keyboard/mouse automation, and interaction with the underlying OS in addition to the game.

Issues which aren't added to some sort of test suite/CI tend to creep back in to codebases. Especially rapidly developed codebases like games. And threading issues are notoriously challenging to reproduce. Hopefully that helps you understand the difference.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by simoncion »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #159
simoncion wrote: post #158

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> There seems to be little evidence of that, at least from a reputable source. I dunno. I remember a little while back some reviewers got a hold of both a Windows version and Linux version of a handheld gaming machine that had exactly the same hardware. The conclusion reached was that the Linux version was better in nearly every way. As I remember it, a little while after this happened, some muckety-muck in the Gamin…

Handhelds and desktop PCs can perform differently. It's very possible for Proton to perform better for handhelds but worse for desktop PCs.

> Handhelds and desktop PCs can perform differently.

The handhelds we're talking about are -essentially- a low-power [0] laptop in a tiny case. Again, we're talking about exactly the same hardware, that provides substantially worse performance when Windows is the OS than when Linux is the OS.

For reference, here's one instance of the original coverage of the phenomenon about which I spoke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXp3UYj50Q>

[0] But higher power than one might naively expect!

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by ksynwa »

rdudek wrote: post #89

How does it compare to CachyOS? I'm not too familiar with how immutable OS actually works or what is the deal with flatpacks. I have a system that I kind of want to have Linux forward with Windows on secondary m.2 drive to dual boot if I need something there. Following protonDB, I see all the games that I play work just fine and are either gold or platinum status. Would you recommend Bazzite or Cachy? I main do gamin…

How do you normally install these dev dependencies on your current setup?

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by scoopdewoop »

mikae1 wrote: post #9
LelouBil wrote: post #2

Great distro ! I have been using it for the last 2 years on my Framework laptop 16 without any issues. I even have a "fork" of sorts that adds Hyprland + all of my "desktop" config, which I think as being part of the OS. I really think immutable distributions are the future of linux desktop, and maybe distributions that use OCI images, beacause they are a lot easier to work with than say, NixOS for example. If you wa…

I'm an https://getaurora.dev user and I agree uBlue is awesome. I'd like to create a custom image too, but it doesn't seem quite as easy as you say: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IxBl11Zmq5w

I learned about Aurora from a HN comment some weeks ago, and it has been so awesome. I really haven't been as impressed with a distro since the first ubuntu. Its just a rock solid base, awesome defaults, and kde being delightful.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by simoncion »

KyleGospo wrote: post #160
simoncion wrote: post #154

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To the downvoters: client-side anticheat simply cannot stop all the cheaters. Why? Because it's running on hardware that the cheater has full control over. It has been (and continues to be) an enormous amount of effort, and some cheaters are absolutely going to get through anyway.

Right, you cannot control hardware you do not own and have in your possession. A cheat that uses another computer and a camera to watch the screen and emulate a mouse is an effective aimbot that no client side method will ever detect. The future must be server authoritative net code and behavior-based server-side cheat detection.

> The future must be server authoritative net code and behavior-based server-side cheat detection.

If they actually cared about stopping cheaters (rather than pouring tons of investor money into the appearance of anti-cheat), then yes, the future must be that.

But. I'm a USian and I notice that the TSA is still strip-searching people at airports and -worse- wasting assloads of everyone's time, effort, and tax money. I have zero faith that a sudden attack of common sense will redirect efforts (whether they be in the arena of airport security or eviction of match-damaging video game cheaters) in a more sensible direction within what's left of my lifetime.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by d3Xt3r »

vips7L wrote: post #168
d3Xt3r wrote: post #161

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Sounds like you might be the perfect audience for consoles then. And here's the good news, that's the same audience SteamOS and Bazzite targets. I am/was a big PC enthusiast but could no longer keep up with all the stuff due to real-life, eventually even gave up gaming for a few years as I just did not have the time. The Nintendo Switch bought me back into (limited) gaming. I liked that I could just play from anywher…

No consoles are an even worse solution. They’ve been through several generations of hardware iterations in the same amount of time.

? That's not the point though? With consoles you just sign-in to your account and you're basically done, you don't Hce the hassle of dealing with migrations like a PC.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by filleduchaos »

vips7L wrote: post #168
d3Xt3r wrote: post #161

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Sounds like you might be the perfect audience for consoles then. And here's the good news, that's the same audience SteamOS and Bazzite targets. I am/was a big PC enthusiast but could no longer keep up with all the stuff due to real-life, eventually even gave up gaming for a few years as I just did not have the time. The Nintendo Switch bought me back into (limited) gaming. I liked that I could just play from anywher…

No consoles are an even worse solution. They’ve been through several generations of hardware iterations in the same amount of time.

What console line has had several generations of hardware iterations in the past decade? Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have all put out two generations at best, with plenty of games still shipping to the "old" generation even now.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by mendyberger »

haunter wrote: post #91
KyleGospo wrote: post #70

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Hi, I'm the founder. While what you're saying isn't impossible, it's unlikely. In the event it did happen, Bazzite is a fork, a signing key, and a couple forked Fedora Copr repos away from being made completely in someone else's control.

Oh no I didn't mean as a personal attack or anything so thanks for taking your time and for the reply! I know the chances are miniscule but there is that 1% in the back of my brain because it happened in the past with some distros I've really liked

Can happen to corporate projects as well. As one example, look at how many projects Google has killed.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by d3Xt3r »

linsomniac wrote: post #157
d3Xt3r wrote: post #115

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SuSE would be a better option then, IMO. Not only have they been around much longer (1994 vs 2004), they offer much better support compared to Canonical. And as a bonus, you don't need to put up with any of the continuous enshittifications Canonical subjects you to (Snaps, increasing poor quality code etc).

The funny thing about SuSE, and admittedly I haven't touched it for over a decade now: Everyone I knew who used it touted that it had great enterprise support as a reason for using it, but everybody I knew that used SuSE used OpenSuSE. This was over ~20 years of providing Linux support, RHEL-based and Ubuntu were by far the distros we dealt with the most. One issue I had with OpenSuSE was that once a new release drop…

These days, since it's all about containers, I'd recommend openSUSE microOS, which is a minimal immutable rolling OS that's suitable as a container host. https://microos.opensuse.org/

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by ffsm8 »

KyleGospo wrote: post #97
mmh0000 wrote: post #93

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Weren’t you threatening to shutdown Bazzite just a few months ago? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44381265

No, my statement was Fedora was about to shoot itself in the foot and that it'd be easier for Bazzite to not exist than for us to clean up their mess. Note that this was in a change proposal which was rescinded without a vote by it's proposer.

Mmh, you definitely misremember that

> As much as I’d like this change to happen, it’s too soon. This change would kill off projects like Bazzite entirely right as Fedora is starting to make major headway in the gaming space.

> I’m speaking as it’s founder, if this change is actually made as it is written the best option for us is to just go ahead and disband the project.

Now, whenever you would've actually shut down the project is a different story, but your messaging was very clear.

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