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Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by akerl_ »

chocalot wrote: post #133
exasperaited wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in part, someone you really don't want to be running a fork of an important project: ESR.

I'm out of the loop. What's the issue with using a project that ESR contributes to? I am vaguely aware he has some unpopular political beliefs (though exactly what I don't know). Is that it?

Insofar as racism, homophobia, and sexism are unpopular political beliefs: yes.

Oh, also he doesn't really "contribute" to tech projects so much as "exists near/within them and writes long form ramblings".

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by NetMageSCW »

throwaway838112 wrote: post #94
sph wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is not donating punishing those who do? Does not compute.

It's written clearly: > Let it fail and see what happens.

Nothing will happen, so all of that is nonsense.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by akerl_ »

chocalot wrote: post #129
tptacek wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah the ntpsec story, not great. I don't believe they're taken especially seriously. There are people close to Harlan Stenn who believe the project is essentially fraudulent.

An ntpd-rs contributor elsewhere in the thread suggests ntpsec is used by many distributions, and suggests donating to ntpsec (amongst some other organisations). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45900184

Every distribution I've seen is using chrony or systemd-timesyncd. Is there a distribution that's actually using ntpsec?

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by NetMageSCW »

nubinetwork wrote: post #75
mhovd wrote: post #2

I am surprised that NTP project is not funded, fully or partially, by larger organizations or governments, given the criticality of the project.

I figured they would be funded by NIST, but the way the US government has been pulling back funding for everything, it didn't surprise me that they need money. Much like Jimmy Wales, I bet if everyone donated 5 bucks they'd be in a much better spot.

They need money because they aren’t important.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by NetMageSCW »

simoncion wrote: post #12
mhovd wrote: post #2

I am surprised that NTP project is not funded, fully or partially, by larger organizations or governments, given the criticality of the project.

The Network Time Foundation (which counts the NTP project among those it provides resources to) lists several corporate Members. But yeah, critical infrastructure usually goes criminally underfunded.

Except they aren’t critical infrastructure which is why no one supports them.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by NetMageSCW »

freeopinion wrote: post #95
iamkonstantin wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We keep coming up with new ways to use it: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20240011919

It's telling that we can appropriate millions of dollars to transport a decommissioned shuttle from a museum in Virginia to Texas, but NASA can't pitch in the cost of one tank of diesel to the people maintaining what this article claims to be a mission-critical tool?

The claim is false.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by exasperaited »

chocalot wrote: post #133
exasperaited wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in part, someone you really don't want to be running a fork of an important project: ESR.

I'm out of the loop. What's the issue with using a project that ESR contributes to? I am vaguely aware he has some unpopular political beliefs (though exactly what I don't know). Is that it?

It's not the issue of using the project, to my mind.

It is not even his beliefs, though many of them are — to my ears and hopefully to most — quite repugnant.

It is his attitude, approach, and at various times the kinds of people he attracts.

As it goes, I've seen him speak, back in the 90s, CatB era. He was genial enough but he seemed to have a coterie around him of rather less pleasant people. It could just have been a bad day but it has stuck in my mind ever since: it was the first time I understood that there's not really any sort of inclsive geek community.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

#180

Post by johnisgood »

waltbosz wrote: post #140
reactordev wrote: post #127

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Say this louder for the managers in the back! I’m sick of having to pay for my own tools to do my job at your company. Either find a way to build using free tools or fork up the license for that Visual Studio Ultimate or IntelliJ Idea Ultimate license. Pay for your database vendor. Your corporate IdP. Why not $300/yr for a high value output employee?

You know, I always thought it odd when plumbers (etc. tradesmen) working full time for a company have to supply their own tools.

Yeah, sure, but in many places (for example in my country) they do not work for a company. They are not even legally working for themselves. You call them, they do the job, then ask for money. That's it. I think this is illegal though, but happens a lot when it comes to anything handyman-ish.
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