Do we have to wash it?
1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order
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#172Is having a real robot creepy? I don't know. Is having a robot operated by a human creepy and scary? Absolutely yes. We've seen that people behave worse when you introduce indirection. People act worse on the internet. Soldiers have an easier time killing with drones than in person. The ethical issue is in both directions: its inhumane to the operator, but I also don't want to feel like a fake person on a video scree…
it’s even worse, with maids, given the socioeconomic dynamics, even if they are paid low, they will be paid “local-market-rates” where by definition they will have to earn enough to (maybe barely) live nearby the people paying them, teleoperated robots don’t have that incentive and can pay “international low” levels of compensation
Plenty of opportunity to use forced labourers in a DIFFERENT country while complying with all the immigration laws possible, and also saving the owners from having to meet real poor people. (I hope this will not work well...)
Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order
#173Is having a real robot creepy? I don't know. Is having a robot operated by a human creepy and scary? Absolutely yes. We've seen that people behave worse when you introduce indirection. People act worse on the internet. Soldiers have an easier time killing with drones than in person. The ethical issue is in both directions: its inhumane to the operator, but I also don't want to feel like a fake person on a video scree…
So its servants then. Even needing a clearer feels living unsustainably - its living in a house too big to maintain. And if the answer is that works takes up too much time, yes we work too many hours.
My work is much more valuable than moving a broom around and washing some dishes. Anyone has the basic skills to clean a house, very few people have the skills to do advanced maths or physics, or engineering or even some forms of Mechanical labor.
The cleaning lady is not some rocket scientist, she is someone that has very low skills and therefore does low skilled labor: cleaning houses.
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#174Is having a real robot creepy? I don't know. Is having a robot operated by a human creepy and scary? Absolutely yes. We've seen that people behave worse when you introduce indirection. People act worse on the internet. Soldiers have an easier time killing with drones than in person. The ethical issue is in both directions: its inhumane to the operator, but I also don't want to feel like a fake person on a video scree…
I think they intend this as a step for getting enough training data in order not to need a human in the loop. I have actually been following 1x and what was Halodi(they merged at some point) for a while and their intention is full autonomy. Besides having someone strange in your house, you also have the company probably recording stuff. Privacy wise... It's worse. But that makes me not as concerned with safety since…
> since it any misbehavior would quickly be detected
I can think of at least one very prominent company that is currently recording, at scale, its users in its quest for full autonomy. As best I can tell, that company simply deletes videos when they are inconvenient.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
So its servants then. Even needing a clearer feels living unsustainably - its living in a house too big to maintain. And if the answer is that works takes up too much time, yes we work too many hours.
My work is much more valuable than moving a broom around and washing some dishes. Anyone has the basic skills to clean a house, very few people have the skills to do advanced maths or physics, or engineering or even some forms of Mechanical labor. The cleaning lady is not some rocket scientist, she is someone that has very low skills and therefore does low skilled labor: cleaning houses.
If her job is so worthless, why not go without and accept the (by definition) small diminishing utility.
This is false, having a clean house, clean dishes, cooked food is extremely valuable, but this is mot captured by money, because half of the population were basically indentured servants that were culturally expected to provide this work for free.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like, this thing is nightmare fuel. They're making up nightmare stories because this uncanny valley horror practically invites the brain to do so.
This is like the online trend of pretending that US Postal Police are superheroes, clowns are scary, fedoras are lame and so on. I get it. Some people make jokes, and then the rest don't get the joke so they think it's real and go along with the meme out of wanting to fit in. Eventually, the neurotic find everything scary and dangerous. Everyone else just skips over this nonsense while you guys self-reinforce. Social…
Found the guy who wears a fedora.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
My work is much more valuable than moving a broom around and washing some dishes. Anyone has the basic skills to clean a house, very few people have the skills to do advanced maths or physics, or engineering or even some forms of Mechanical labor. The cleaning lady is not some rocket scientist, she is someone that has very low skills and therefore does low skilled labor: cleaning houses.
If her job is so worthless, why not go without and accept the (by definition) small diminishing utility. This is false, having a clean house, clean dishes, cooked food is extremely valuable, but this is mot captured by money, because half of the population were basically indentured servants that were culturally expected to provide this work for free.
It wasn't for free. It was their work. Which, on average and until very recently, was much, much safer, and easier to do than the work of the other half of the population that had to leave the house and seek work to get a pay and allow the that half to stay at home.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
If her job is so worthless, why not go without and accept the (by definition) small diminishing utility. This is false, having a clean house, clean dishes, cooked food is extremely valuable, but this is mot captured by money, because half of the population were basically indentured servants that were culturally expected to provide this work for free.
It wasn't for free. It was their work. Which, on average and until very recently, was much, much safer, and easier to do than the work of the other half of the population that had to leave the house and seek work to get a pay and allow the that half to stay at home.
> It wasn't for free
Say whaat? The woman's father literally paid good money to have her taken away. Everyone but the woman saw cash changing hands, but she was legally barred from owning property.
Freedom was for men.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
If her job is so worthless, why not go without and accept the (by definition) small diminishing utility. This is false, having a clean house, clean dishes, cooked food is extremely valuable, but this is mot captured by money, because half of the population were basically indentured servants that were culturally expected to provide this work for free.
It wasn't for free. It was their work. Which, on average and until very recently, was much, much safer, and easier to do than the work of the other half of the population that had to leave the house and seek work to get a pay and allow the that half to stay at home.
That "on average" is load bearing, does it include Queen Victoria? Just like ICE "allows" people to stay at Aligator Alcatraz. They should be paying rent!
Of course, the indentured servants payed rent in kind, with their bodies, whether they like it or not.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
It wasn't for free. It was their work. Which, on average and until very recently, was much, much safer, and easier to do than the work of the other half of the population that had to leave the house and seek work to get a pay and allow the that half to stay at home.
> It wasn't for free Say whaat? The woman's father literally paid good money to have her taken away. Everyone but the woman saw cash changing hands, but she was legally barred from owning property. Freedom was for men.
Indulging for a moment that fantasy of yours about the purpose of dowries:
If the present “owner” paid “good money” to take her away, doesn’t that mean she was a liability instead of an asset?