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1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by joseangel_sc »

tolmasky wrote: post #99

Is having a real robot creepy? I don't know. Is having a robot operated by a human creepy and scary? Absolutely yes. We've seen that people behave worse when you introduce indirection. People act worse on the internet. Soldiers have an easier time killing with drones than in person. The ethical issue is in both directions: its inhumane to the operator, but I also don't want to feel like a fake person on a video scree…

it’s even worse, with maids, given the socioeconomic dynamics, even if they are paid low, they will be paid “local-market-rates” where by definition they will have to earn enough to (maybe barely) live nearby the people paying them,

teleoperated robots don’t have that incentive and can pay “international low” levels of compensation

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by denysvitali »

sosodev wrote: post #75
denysvitali wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally 5 seconds in and the first claim is already wrong. "For 20k$, you can pre-order one now" The pre-order is only $200 But yes, it gives a good perspective about what's the state of the robot right now

That's just semantics. The $200 is the deposit. It's $20,000 to actually buy it once they're ready to ship.

My point was more that it can be cheaper ($200 + $499/month), and it wasn't mentioned

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by vessenes »

dtagames wrote: post #112

I predict it will never ship, and further there is no market for an ambulatory speakerphone/LLM combo with a human on the other end of the phone (which is how it operates).

it might or might not ship. There is an IMMENSE market for $1-2/hr labor worldwide. Even very low skill labor.

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by johnohara »

I tried to search for what the acronym "Neo" is based on but no luck. Maybe it's a cinematic reference that got assigned in development and stuck. I don't know.

But it did remind me of my friend Ben Skora and his robot AROK. Fabricated in his garage using sheet metal (Ben rebuilt cars), power window motors, dryer vent pipe for arms, a Richard Nixon halloween mask inside a motorcycle helmet, two car batteries and wheels as shoes, bicycle brake clamps covered with rubber gloves as hands, a front panel of lights that blinked, and miles of wiring that never worked 100%.

The whole system was analog. Tones from two princess phone keypads controlled the motors and he could talk and listen remotely (20 ft away) using a hacked set of walkie-talkies. Don't ask me how.

AROK was built in ~1971-1973 and now resides inside a glass case at the Moraine Valley Community College Technology Building. [1]

He built AROK to help around the house, do chores, walk the dog, etc.

[0] https://cyberneticzoo.com/robots/1975-arok-ben-skora-america...

[1] https://www.morainevalley.edu/news-story/arok-the-robot-roll...

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by cuu508 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #119
Rebelgecko wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Latency is too bad for that, most of these robot companies don't use poor people more than 1/5 of the world away

Nonsense, Starlink’s latency is like 100 to 200 ms round-trip between China and the United States

Add on top of that the latency of the operator's equipment and the latency of the robot itself, and tasks like putting dishes in the dishwasher could get quite challenging

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by thw_9a83c »

yesfitz wrote: post #43

Their teleoperator position from 3-11 PM, M-F, pays between $22 and $31 an hour with benefits and is onsite in Palo Alto.[1] I'll be curious if they move those positions to a lower cost-of-living area as they scale up. 1: https://1x.recruitee.com/o/robot-operator

I'm wondering about teleoperation. Many housekeeping activities require an incredible level of attention to detail, precision, and real-time awareness. For example, consider manual dishwashing, small sewing jobs, knife operation, or repotting houseplants. Even if latency were not an issue, the operator would need to excel at all these tasks.

By the way, we've had robotic surgery [1] for years. These machines are very expensive, and it takes months, if not years, to learn to operate them flawlessly.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotic_surgery

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by RealityVoid »

tolmasky wrote: post #99

Is having a real robot creepy? I don't know. Is having a robot operated by a human creepy and scary? Absolutely yes. We've seen that people behave worse when you introduce indirection. People act worse on the internet. Soldiers have an easier time killing with drones than in person. The ethical issue is in both directions: its inhumane to the operator, but I also don't want to feel like a fake person on a video scree…

I think they intend this as a step for getting enough training data in order not to need a human in the loop. I have actually been following 1x and what was Halodi(they merged at some point) for a while and their intention is full autonomy.

Besides having someone strange in your house, you also have the company probably recording stuff. Privacy wise... It's worse. But that makes me not as concerned with safety since it any misbehavior would quickly be detected.

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by RealityVoid »

joseangel_sc wrote: post #121
tolmasky wrote: post #99

Is having a real robot creepy? I don't know. Is having a robot operated by a human creepy and scary? Absolutely yes. We've seen that people behave worse when you introduce indirection. People act worse on the internet. Soldiers have an easier time killing with drones than in person. The ethical issue is in both directions: its inhumane to the operator, but I also don't want to feel like a fake person on a video scree…

it’s even worse, with maids, given the socioeconomic dynamics, even if they are paid low, they will be paid “local-market-rates” where by definition they will have to earn enough to (maybe barely) live nearby the people paying them, teleoperated robots don’t have that incentive and can pay “international low” levels of compensation

Right, but the low income countries could also frame it as a new way to earn a living. I think avoiding giving jobs to those countries gives them no help.
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