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Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#171

I support prohibiting people from accessing the internet IF they're proven to be dangerous to others if they access the internet. But this applies to any public space or commons, internet or otherwise, and we already have the means of accomplishing this... With a due process. Why would it makes sense to remove that process, while introducing an incredible opaque decision-making process in its place, which totally bar…

In modern society it's pretty much impossible to live without using the internet. You can't apply for a job, you can't apply for a rental. You can't even order a burger at some restaurants without scanning the QR code. Anyone too dangerous to be allowed any access to the internet probably just needs to be in jail. What would be the point in leaving someone to their own devices while preventing them from participating…

> You can't even order a burger at some restaurants without scanning the QR code.

I have only ever been to one restaurant where this was the case (and it was not a very good restaurant in my opinion, so I do not intend to go back there even if they have a real menu, unless they also improve their food and management), but they provided a iPad to any customer who needed it for this purpose (I did not need it, since I was not alone and was with another customer who had their own iPad). (I think it might be better to post the menu on the wall for customers to read. It might be suitable to use e-paper displays if they sometimes change but not very often; this is more reliable and does not require as much power, nor emit too much light.)

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#172
> crack down on hackers and ransomware fraudsters.

What kind of justification is this?! Seriously, do they think people are 6-year-old toddlers that all you have to say is "Oooo bad guys out there!!" and they will just magically believe everything you say after?! This is mockery, an insult to people's intelligence at best, and a fucking dystopian one mixed with digital ID at worst.

Also, are they gonna ban satellite based internet after? Clowns.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#173
I support banning people from accessing the internet for safety AFTER the government completes banning people who are a physical danger from accessing the public physically. After all the dangerous criminals are in jails or asylums (those who cannot stand trial by definition cannot be free as they cannot answer for harm they do), we can talk about this nonsense.

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#174

That's an absurd overreach. I can't figure out what the real motivation for this is. > hostile state actors are stealing information and gaining access to systems that are critical to our national security and public safety If they're hostile state actors, they've got internet access from elsewhere. It's a global network. I am not dismissing cyber-threats, but perhaps I would weigh them differently. To me, the larges…

> I can't figure out what the real motivation for this is.

Can't you?

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#175

That's an absurd overreach. I can't figure out what the real motivation for this is. > hostile state actors are stealing information and gaining access to systems that are critical to our national security and public safety If they're hostile state actors, they've got internet access from elsewhere. It's a global network. I am not dismissing cyber-threats, but perhaps I would weigh them differently. To me, the larges…

I don't believe this is about disinformation at all. It's about not letting hostile state actors have an off switch for our infrastructure (only really relevant in wartime), or to be able to man in the middle it at will (relevant in both as an espionage tool). I.e. it's a cyber war measure not a propaganda war measure.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume the EFF?

Does the EFF do any Canadian advocacy?

That was my question too, and I did not see any as far as I remember, so I don't know.

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#178

The argument made here seems to be that the power to prevent unlawful access or threats is somehow required to keep us all safe. But if someone was an actual threat, do we really think they’d be using the internet with their own identity? Like if someone is willing to hack into a power station or some other critical infrastructure, they’ll be simultaneously stupid enough to use their own credit card? Illegal things a…

Politicians seem to enjoy corruption. It benefits them directly. They really do hate anyone who points out their hypocrisy or makes fun of them. It challenges their corrupt kickbacks directly. I think it's easy to make a prediction of actual use cases here.

> Politicians seem to enjoy corruption

You can remove the "seem". They go specifically into that line of business to benefit from juicy corruption.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it has been on the upswing recently but my understanding is that in the US we have been doing pretty much as much surveillance as technology (and also generally the 4th amendment) practically allows since at least WWII, and especially during the Cold War. Many law abiding people opposed to government policy (e.g. civil rights leaders or anti-war activists) have always been surveilled with dubious cause. This isn't…

The current “workaround” to the 4th amendment is to simply have private companies who do surveillance and then buy bulk data from them. ICE does this with location data from mobile apps. They simply buy from a private vendor the information about where specific people are. Then they go detain them. Some real life friends of mine are on a work crew with some migrants. ICE pulled their truck over, asked the migrants to…

If you are an illegal immigrat how do you even get a mobile phone contract though? In every country I know a valid ID is required to get one.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#180

Consider this scenario. Your isp emails you that they are terminating your account. You phone gets disconnected. You call them and helpdesk doesnt have a clue why. You try to sign up for new services and they refuse and wont say why. All because a politician has decided it 'reasonable' to disconnect you from the internet; and he can order complete secrecy and there's no judicial oversight. Perhaps you showed up at th…

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> 2022 freedumb convoy

Please avoid snarky tropes like this on HN. We're trying for something different here.

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