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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by jvanderbot »

cortesoft wrote: post #139
savorypiano wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the wrong logic. Immigrants can make exactly the same as natives and still suppress wages. Fundamentally how prices are set is someone sets a price, and if there are no takers they change the price. If a company offers a salary, and they bring in an H1-B to fill the role, they don't have to raise the salary. Over time it suppresses the wage.

If that was the case, why would they have to hide the job offer? If no American citizen is going to take the job at the lower pay, there is no need to hide the offer from them. If they are going to take the lower pay, there is no advantage to hire an H1-B.

Well that's precisely what they say on the visa sponsorship "we can't find the talent", no you can't find the talent at that price.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by legitster »

So I was at a company that did this a lot - it was much less nefarious than on the surface.

It was usually related to them recruiting a certain specialist or acquiring a team at another company. But the only way to get these people visas was to post the jobs publicly and hide them as much as possible. They did this by the hundreds, and it wasn't really a cost saving measure - if you are trying to get anybody in particular from Microsoft or Amazon and they are already here on a Visa, you have to go through the process all over again to sponsor them.

So it was less about racism and more about hoops to jump through to hire someone that you have already basically hired. If you've ever had experience with how a government RFP works, maybe don't throw rocks from glass houses.

Is it unfair? Maybe. But in my opinion anything is fairer than our country's evil immigration requirements.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by uberduper »

cortesoft wrote: post #139
savorypiano wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the wrong logic. Immigrants can make exactly the same as natives and still suppress wages. Fundamentally how prices are set is someone sets a price, and if there are no takers they change the price. If a company offers a salary, and they bring in an H1-B to fill the role, they don't have to raise the salary. Over time it suppresses the wage.

If that was the case, why would they have to hide the job offer? If no American citizen is going to take the job at the lower pay, there is no need to hide the offer from them. If they are going to take the lower pay, there is no advantage to hire an H1-B.

As far as I understand it, it's not just that they need for no American citizen to take the job. They need for no American citizen to apply for it.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by cess11 »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #169
cess11 wrote: post #141

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That's a made up deffinition only recently invented. Racism is hating another group of people based on physical or cultural background. The US is the most powerful country does that mean if I go to india I can't experience racism because technically India is "weaker" ? Isn't this example literally a group of stronger indians being racist to weaker individuals (job applicants)? This also implies they are not hiring bl…

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by Aeolun »

legitster wrote: post #172

So I was at a company that did this a lot - it was much less nefarious than on the surface. It was usually related to them recruiting a certain specialist or acquiring a team at another company. But the only way to get these people visas was to post the jobs publicly and hide them as much as possible. They did this by the hundreds, and it wasn't really a cost saving measure - if you are trying to get anybody in parti…

Isn’t it funny that in the past the only thing you had to do was simply show up?

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by cess11 »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #165
cess11 wrote: post #141

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I never understood this redefinition of the word... Racism means prejudice based on race. Period. Thats all it means. Redefining the word like you suggested is moving the political goalposts

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by tux3 »

cess11 wrote: post #176
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood this redefinition of the word... Racism means prejudice based on race. Period. Thats all it means. Redefining the word like you suggested is moving the political goalposts

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I think you've earned a Godwin point. "The Nazis weren't prejudiced" isn't a great start to an argument, even as a strawman of someone else's position.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by cowsandmilk »

alephnerd wrote: post #158
back2dafucha wrote: post #112

Old news. This has been going on for decades. If you even look badly on youtube you will find corporate videos from "HR Consultants" teaching companies how to bury job listings so noone will be likely to find them. Your country sold you down the river 30 years ago.

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The immigration raid and what was happening at these plants is 100% different…not sure how you can even pretend they are the same. The system they are discussing is one where you’ve already been in the US legally for 6 years.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by cjbgkagh »

Instead of having job openings posted by those who don't want them found what if people posted willingness to work, perhaps in some sort of registry. That way a company would have to prove that none of the people willing to work are qualified. I'm sure many qualified people would be open to moving.
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