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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by gopher_space »

zdragnar wrote: post #36
ajross wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, "racist" seems to fail the Occam test here. But at the same time that makes it clear that the now-suddenly-unpopular opinion is also wrong. Diversity takes work, and companies need to guard against this kind of decisionmaking. "DEI" protects the native-born too!

DEI arose to public consciousness around the same time that "whiteness" was often used as a synonym for bigotry and privilege. So long as academic circles (and those who come from them, such as the people now in HR departments) believe that having white skin is a sin, DEI will never be D, E or I. The three words themselves are nice and generally good things to believe in, but the packaging philosophy it is wrapped up…

One of the knock-on benefits of DEI is that it allows second rate minds to self-identify. Empathy is massively important in this line of work, and you need to be curious instead of confused and upset when you run into Chesterton's Fence.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by back2dafucha »

Old news. This has been going on for decades. If you even look badly on youtube you will find corporate videos from "HR Consultants" teaching companies how to bury job listings so noone will be likely to find them.

Your country sold you down the river 30 years ago.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by tstrimple »

surgical_fire wrote: post #101
klipklop wrote: post #60

To anybody playing attention it's very clear SV tech vastly prefers to import foreign labor rather than hire local. It has been this way for multiple decades now (and gets worse every year.) I don't see this changing any time soon. Sure they get the occasional slap on the wrist, but the wage suppression saves them way more money over time.

> the wage suppression Do immigrants earn less than locals? My impression is that the salary is similar. I am not in the US, but I rejected job offers from across the pond in the past and the salary seemed to be on the level with what I know is paid in the US for that position. My guess is that what they like in H1B workers is that they are sort of stuck with that employer, as changing jobs under such a Visa can be t…

If you look at the total cost of an employee and not just an annual salary, then the fact that they have far less mobility makes them cheaper. Why hire the person who will bail when you mistreat them so you have to spend all that time and money finding someone new when you can have someone who risks deportation if they decide they are done with your bullshit.

I could afford to spend the next six months out of work looking for a replacement job. No one on an H1B can because they would be in violation of their visa. They will tolerate far more nonsense than I will.

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Post by 1121redblackgo »

supjeff wrote: post #69
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #4

If Apple and Meta have had to pay $38 million for engaging in these practices I don't understand why they used the subtle "chronically-online" dig against people trying to expose it: "And this has given rise to a cottage industry of chronically-online types — in other words, typical tech workers — seeking to expose them."

I feel like there was a lot of nonsense ideas for what is such a short, and supposedly journalistically rigorous article

The Hill stays afloat by laundering political operative and rat-fucking articles. Politico to a lesser extent, but similar. Read those two sites with suspicion. Always.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by dexwiz »

gp90 wrote: post #109
throwmeaway222 wrote: post #9

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> It's extremely racist I'm not sure if the motive behind such behavior is racism. Instead, I think it's more likely the power play. That is, they would pick the population that is the easiest to command and to push them up the corporate ladder.

I made the mistake once of insinuating the reason no else was complaining about current conditions was that everyone else was on a visa. That was pretty much the end of my job there. Which only made me more confident in my opinion in the end.

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Post by desolate_muffin »

surgical_fire wrote: post #101
klipklop wrote: post #60

To anybody playing attention it's very clear SV tech vastly prefers to import foreign labor rather than hire local. It has been this way for multiple decades now (and gets worse every year.) I don't see this changing any time soon. Sure they get the occasional slap on the wrist, but the wage suppression saves them way more money over time.

> the wage suppression Do immigrants earn less than locals? My impression is that the salary is similar. I am not in the US, but I rejected job offers from across the pond in the past and the salary seemed to be on the level with what I know is paid in the US for that position. My guess is that what they like in H1B workers is that they are sort of stuck with that employer, as changing jobs under such a Visa can be t…

I don't think wages are suppressed because immigrant tech workers make less money. Instead, It seems like the effect of the dramatically increased supply of workers would dominate, effectively lowering wages; i.e., you can pay less money for a job the more workers there are to take the job.

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Post by savorypiano »

surgical_fire wrote: post #101
klipklop wrote: post #60

To anybody playing attention it's very clear SV tech vastly prefers to import foreign labor rather than hire local. It has been this way for multiple decades now (and gets worse every year.) I don't see this changing any time soon. Sure they get the occasional slap on the wrist, but the wage suppression saves them way more money over time.

> the wage suppression Do immigrants earn less than locals? My impression is that the salary is similar. I am not in the US, but I rejected job offers from across the pond in the past and the salary seemed to be on the level with what I know is paid in the US for that position. My guess is that what they like in H1B workers is that they are sort of stuck with that employer, as changing jobs under such a Visa can be t…

This is the wrong logic. Immigrants can make exactly the same as natives and still suppress wages.

Fundamentally how prices are set is someone sets a price, and if there are no takers they change the price. If a company offers a salary, and they bring in an H1-B to fill the role, they don't have to raise the salary. Over time it suppresses the wage.

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Post by SilverElfin »

zdragnar wrote: post #24
teachrdan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, do they favor hiring Indians in general, or Hindu Indians in particular. (To the exclusion of Muslim Indians)

It's been awhile since I've seen it, but there was a very brief and small wave of articles perhaps a few years back claiming a lot of Indians in the US were still facing caste-based discrimination (by skin color, name or something else, I'm not sure) by other Indian managers and execs.

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by SilverElfin »

throwmeaway222 wrote: post #12
teachrdan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, do they favor hiring Indians in general, or Hindu Indians in particular. (To the exclusion of Muslim Indians)

that is definitely part of it

What’s the evidence? I remember seeing allegations but all the court cases resulted in nothing, because there was no evidence of such discrimination.
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