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AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

pwython wrote: post #53
cousin_it wrote: post #14

This is a great point. Everyone who has talked with chatbots at all: please note that all contents of your past conversations with chatbots (that already exist now, and that you can't meaningfully delete!) could be used in the future to target ads to you, manipulate you financially and politically, and sell "personalized influence on you specifically" as a service to the highest bidder. Just wanted to make sure y'all…

Honestly, retargeting/personalized ads have never bothered me. If I'm gonna see ads anyway, I'd much rather get ads that might actually interest me, versus wildly irrelevant pharmaceutical drugs and other nonsense.

I'm the complete opposite and don't really understand your position.

I'd rather see totally irrelevant ads because they're easy to ignore or dismiss. Targeted ads distract your thought processes explicitly because they know what will distract you; make you want something where there was previously no wanting. Targeted advertising is productised ADHD; it is anti-productive.

Like the start of Madness' One Step Beyond: "Hey you! Don't watch that, watch this!"

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by utyop22 »

threeducks wrote: post #144
viccis wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. Check out this post [1] in which the post includes part of the LLM response ("This kind of story involves classic AITA themes: family drama,…

Over the past two years, I have also seen many similar stories where the majority of users were unable to recognize that these stories were AI-generated. I fear for the future of democracy if the masses are so easily deceived. Does anyone have any good ideas on how to counteract this?

Literacy rates have been falling off a cliff for decades.

If theres no literacy, there is no critical thinking.

The only solution is to deliver high quality education to all folks and create engaging environments for it to be delivered.

Ultimately it comes down to influencing folks to think deeper about whats going on around them.

Most of the people between the age of 13-30ish right now are kinda screwed and pretty much a write off imo.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

pilingual wrote: post #151
gcanyon wrote: post #133

Is there anyone who has a credible take on how we avoid an effectively zero-privacy future? AI can identify people by their walk, no facial recognition required, and now technology can detect heartbeats through variations in wifi signals. It seems guaranteed we are heading for a future where someone knows everything. The only choice is whether it's a select few, or everyone. The latter seems clearly preferable.

Legislation or, my favorite, market forces.

"Market forces" is in serious decline as a leveller at this point in history, especially around products of interest to power or those producing outsized profits.

Or maybe it never was and this fact is just becoming more transparent.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #109
testfrequency wrote: post #20

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Especially in the US right now where they are doing whatever it takes to be #1 in ~anything, ethical or not. It’s pure bragging rights and power, anything goes - profit is just the byproduct.

#1, likely not now: Most of my close friends are non-technical and expect me to be a cheerleader fir USA AI efforts. They were surprised when I started mentioning the recent Stanford study that 80% of US startups are using Chinese models. I would like us to win but we seem too hype focused and not engineering and practical applications focused.

First they came for climate science, but I said nothing because I was not a climate scientist.

Then they came for medical science, but I said nothing because I was not a doctor.

Then they came for specialists and subject matter experts, and I said nothing because I was an influencer and wanted the management position.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by martin-t »

ddq wrote: post #134
martin-t wrote: post #52

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The law really should be "if you cause harm to others you will receive 2x greater harm done to you". And "if you profit from harming others, you will compensate them by 2x of what you gained". Instead of the current maze of case specific laws. --- > But I think something more profound needs to happen for these things to be truly fixed. I, admittedly, have no idea what that is. You know, you're just unwilling to think…

Yes, only 3x rather than 2x. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treble_damages

Y'know, I used to say 1.5-2x, now I lean towards 2x but 3x is actually fine by me too. And for any kind of financial crimes, this should also be divided by the probability of getting caught and convicted.

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Post by felipeerias »

socalgal2 wrote: post #156
alphazard wrote: post #10

I expect we will continue to see the big AI companies pushing for privacy protections. Sam Altman made a comparison to attorney-client privilege in an interview. There is a significant hold out to using these things as fully trusted personal assistants or personal knowledge bases because of the lack of privacy. The only real solution is locally running models, but that goes against the business model. So instead they…

> Sam Altman made a comparison to attorney-client privilege in an interview Isn't his company, OpenAI, the one that said the monitor all communications and will report anyone they think is a threat to the government? https://openai.com/index/helping-people-when-they-need-it-mo... > If human reviewers determine that a case involves an imminent threat of serious physical harm to others, we may refer it to law enforceme…

But there isn’t a person on the other side whom you are reaching through their service. The only communication is between you and the OpenAI server that takes in your input message and produces an output.

I understand that people assume LLMs are private but there isn’t any guarantee that is the case, specially when law enforcement comes knocking.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by randycupertino »

kbaker wrote: post #170
terribleperson wrote: post #103

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I'm suspended on reddit for, as best as I can tell, posting a DFhack bug fix script. For the uninitiated, this is a bug fix script for a program commonly used in Dwarf Fortress moderating, not anything illicit. If this kind of low-quality AI moderation is the future, I'm not sure if these major platforms will even remain usable.

Lol. I got perma-banned for violating rules under my alt accounts. But I don't have any alt accounts...??? Appeal process is a joke. I just opted to delete my 12 year old account instead and have stopped going there. Oh well, probably time for them to go under and be reborn anyways. The default subs and front page has been garbage for some time.

I'm permanently banned from Reddit for calling a "power mod" of SF Bay Area a nimby when he was complaining about increased traffic in his neighborhood and that they had to put a stop sign up at a major intersection.

They IP and hardward device banned me, it's crazy! Any appeal auto-rejected and can't make new accounts.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by sterlind »

tim333 wrote: post #102
0x696C6961 wrote: post #6

AI makes large scale retroactive thought policing practical. This is terrifying.

Roko's basilisk is on it's way.

I'm not worried about the Basilisk, I'm worried about the AI researchers who believe they're being blackmailed by the Basilisk into creating it.

...hm. maybe I am worried about the Basilisk, then.

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