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Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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So this is essentially a Popcorn Time-type-thing, but aping Soundcloud rather than Netflix. Cool, I guess? But also too bad! Because when I first read the headline (and the Github description: "Streaming music player that finds free music for you"), I had imagined this to be something entirely different, and much more interesting to me: a "streaming service" that brings together various types of copyright-free and "a…

Try Radiooooo, you sound like you may enjoy this app. It’s free, you only have to register your email with them.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

#172

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How about 10 electron applications all with different purposes using 12.5% of your RAM?

Sounds totally reasonable to me. I'm running ten windowed applications and they're still leaving 87.5% of my RAM available for other things? No problem there.

No they’re all trivial things that could all be using 1% of your ram. And when you try to do demanding work on your machine you often have to close half of them to avoid stutter.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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> When pressed for reasons what exactly is so bad about Electron, they can rarely offer anything than vaguely mumbled "memory usage" or "b-but it's an entire browser" (both of which have not been true for years, for example Electron's memory usage has improved dramatically, but the meme stuck) I downloaded Nuclear (the AppImage, if that matters) and booted it up. Instant 300MB RAM usage. I think I'll pass.

Apparently the new version [1] will use Tauri instead of Electron, which uses the OS's native webview.

[1] https://github.com/NuclearPlayer/nuclear-xrd

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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>Eat and weep for a world where we can't just exchange money for food. Youtube sells subscriptions for YouTube Music if you want to be able to listen to the music in the background or without ads. Violating YouTube's terms of service is unethical.

Can you explain why TOS violations in general are unethical?

Typically they start with something like: by using this $SERVICE you AGREE to blah-blah-blah ($X)

If you agree to $X but then don't do it: you're a liar.

The terms might be shit. But if you agree to shit terms you should be bound by shit terms. In the olden days: "I gave my word as a gentleman and a scholar" or "a deals a deal, even with a dirty dealer"[0].

Going back on a deal is not ethical; end of.

[0] I think it from Futurama.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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post #62
post #53

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What's really a meme is: " I got 32 GB of RAM, who cares? " I see a parallel with networked services being developed and tested under "works for me" lab conditions without latency, jitter, or reduced bandwidth. "It works fine on my 10 Gbps network, who cares about 2 extra MB of Javascript?" For one, because the very moment you have that line of thought, you're probably already an outlier.

You would be hard-pressed today to find computers with less than 8 GB of RAM. 300 MB is 3.66% of 8 GB of RAM. Which, again, is absolutely nothing. Okay, let's assume you have a computer with 4 GB of RAM. Still 7.32%. That is low.

I just went to amazon and typed in "windows laptop". The first two listed had 4gig ram

In order it was 4,4,16,8,16,4,8,16,4,16,32,8,16,4,32

9 of them were under $300

My dad had some really crap HP Celeron desktop. I don't remember it if had 4gig or more but I do remember it took 3 to 4 minutes of swapping continuously just to boot up and run all the crapware that HP had launch on startup in Windows.

That said, I'm not anti-electron. Here's some native app sizes

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44690856

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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That short-term individual success is at the expense of the wider long-term success. If 10 people live in a lake and I fish more than everyone I will be better off that others. But then everyone else will seek the same individual short-term success because my first step in being an asshole was not punished. We will all end up starving in this scenario. A central authority agreed by all to manage this situation fairly…

Tragedy of the Commons Ruins Everything Around Me.

Tragedy of the Commons is bullshit. Just one pessimistic, selfish asshole penning out a manifesto on how everyone is just as miserable and awful as he is. It assumes that individuals, left to their own devices, will inevitably over-consume shared resources out of selfishness. But this narrative ignores centuries of evidence to the contrary: communities around the world have sustainably managed commons through norms, trust, and mutual accountability.

And he wasn't just wrong for the hell of it. He used it to argue against immigration and for coercive population control, not to promote environmental stewardship. His model erases the role of governance, culture, and cooperation, reducing human behavior to a simplistic race to depletion.

In reality, the commons don’t fail because they’re shared. They fail when they’re mismanaged, privatized, or stripped of the social fabric that sustains them.

I would go so far to say that the only way this concept has ever come close to being "correct" is the culturally inert modern Western world which has replaced everyone's souls with aimless desires for products and cheap dopamine hits, far from anything approaching our natural state.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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post #175

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Can you explain why TOS violations in general are unethical?

Typically they start with something like: by using this $SERVICE you AGREE to blah-blah-blah ($X) If you agree to $X but then don't do it: you're a liar. The terms might be shit. But if you agree to shit terms you should be bound by shit terms. In the olden days: "I gave my word as a gentleman and a scholar" or "a deals a deal, even with a dirty dealer"[0]. Going back on a deal is not ethical; end of. [0] I think it…

Nah: going back on a somewhat ethical and REMOTELY fair deal made by folks who are even close to equal in power, that's not OK. Also, most of these sites make no requirement that you read and agree to anything; I can open YouTube and watch videos in an incognito tab right now, no EULA/TOS necessary, so how are you to say I am breaking any agreement at all?

Furthermore, these "use the service or not" agreements is like saying "accept a government or leave the country". Being handed an ultimatum saying "agree or you can't participate with your peers culturally, and potentially can't even access other local services such as government announcements", that's basically not a deal as there is no negotiation, that's being informed by greater powers of the pound of flesh they expect to extract.

Yes, yes I know the law says if you don't agree then you should simply not use the Internet, simple as that. That's clearly not even a possibility to be a functioning member of society at this point, but I guess it'll take some time for the law to catch up.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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post #29
post #3

Testimonials on the main website are somewhat unusual - https://nuclearplayer.com/

>As a musician, fuck everything about this Pretty wild to include a comment like this in the testimonials. Sure, you can disagree with the musician on philosophical terms over IP laws and many consumers will always prefer "free", but to put this in your testimonials shows that the developers take pride in the act of pissing off musicians. That just rubs me the wrong way.

Most of the "testimonials" I'm seeing are actually negative.

>I used nuclear and had a horrible experience with it. It looks bad, you wait for 1 minute to play a 3 minute song, it's slow as fuck. Probably it's because of Electron, but it is used by so many people that I started cringing.

Uh.....what? I get trying to lean into being edgy, but a bad user experience? No thanks.

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