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Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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Here's what robotic mowers blades look like to understand how they work - https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/676d76e61268a4... We just got a Sunseeker X7 to do ~4 acres of grassed area but probably ~2 acres will be garden beds and roads etc The hardware is there, it's all software now. People talk about updates and the robot improved amazingly, comments like - "these scuffs are from pre-update" These are E…

Their website lists the X7 as "0.75 acres" - how that relate to the 4acres you got it to do?

Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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post #94

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> And the prices of these new and used are out of this world even compared to baseline inflation. How many such cases do we need to have to be able to put out the hypothesis that the baseline inflation figures we're being fed are wrong?

If the poster is in the USA couldn't it be explained by Trump Tariffs (in addition to inflation)

Yes I am in the US but in so far as inflation is an overall increase in cost of goods and services, the tariffs are one contributing factor to it. How much of a factor is probably hard to tell but my gut feeling says in this case it is probably significant.

Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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post #94

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> And the prices of these new and used are out of this world even compared to baseline inflation. How many such cases do we need to have to be able to put out the hypothesis that the baseline inflation figures we're being fed are wrong?

No amount of things like grass mowers can add up to it. You have to look at stuff people buy in large volume, like food, housing, energy, education, and health-care. (By the way, I don't know if your figures are correct. I don't even know what country you are at.)

From what I gather you can measure inflation many different ways. It’s not an absolute value but more of an average of prices on some number of goods. Kind of like how there are many index funds having different mixes of securities.

Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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post #96

So is this like Valetudo[0] but for mowers? Very cool! I wonder how much overlap / shared code there is between robot vacuums and robot mowers. [0]: https://valetudo.cloud/

Thanks for the link, this is super useful. I will probably use both valetudo and openmower soon! Is there anything comparable for security cameras?

> Is there anything comparable for security cameras?

ReoLink + Frigate.

[0] https://frigate.video/

Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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post #94

I was hoping this was more of a hardware project as in building the physical mower from scratch. I am not quite sold on the robotic mowers but the quality and market for riding mowers is insane right now. I own two riding mowers and both are completely dead. One needs a rather expensive wiring harness so they it would stop catching fire when it runs. The other has the most common single cylinder engine that comes in…

> And the prices of these new and used are out of this world even compared to baseline inflation. How many such cases do we need to have to be able to put out the hypothesis that the baseline inflation figures we're being fed are wrong?

This is as much a complaint about high prices as the fact that Briggs & Stratton keeps making and selling an engine with an absolutely awful design.

If you want the boring details: it is a single cylinder 4 stroke motor. The first issue is that while it is dead simple, it does not have a modern way to control the RPM. These motors are meant to run at roughly 3600 RPM but at full throttle (how they are meant to be operated once in use) they will easily exceed that especially with no load such as in neutral. So they have a mechanical governor, which is also combined with an oil slinger (exactly what it sounds like: it is just a thing that slings oil all over the place hoping to get it onto the parts that need it). This contraption looks like this: https://www.lawnmowerpros.com/prodimages/691968.jpg. It is not very sturdy and is not very well mounted. It tends to break or even jam the gears between the crankshaft and the camshaft. This is bad because you don’t want loose pieces flying inside the bottom end of the motor.

In addition these motors have puny starters, so they have what’s called a compression release, which is a weight and a spring on the cam shaft. You can see it right by the gear here: https://www.briggsbits.co.uk/acatalog/84005207.3.jpeg

The idea is that at low RPM such as while you start the engine, the tiny spring will hold the weight to the shaft and the bump on it will keep the exhaust valve slightly open. This will mean you don’t get normal combustion but also it will be a lot easier to turn the engine over which is important for the puny starter. At higher RPM the weight will fly out and the other side with the bump will retract causing the exhaust valve to close fully when necessary.

The issue with this design is that the spring as you can see is tiny and thin and the weight is also pretty flimsy. They tend to break off and then you have a chunk of metal again.

Speaking of the camshaft, notice that the cam lobes are pressed onto the camshaft, not cut out of a single piece of steel. This is cheap but tends to be very sloppy. These motors don’t run very well.

And lastly, while these motors have a (tiny) oil pump and it is properly driven by the camshaft, the part that drives the oil pump is actually a separate piece of shaft that just slots into the main shaft of the camshaft. You can see it here as the short shaft with two flat parts on either end: https://www.lsengineers.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/21...

This means the camshaft isn’t even straight necessarily but is gear driven which requires more precision than chain, not less.

This is before we get into just basics like the fact that none of them have proper head/cylinder mating surfaces so they blow head gaskets like crazy, or their very loose rockers that go out of spec all the time causing it to run very poorly and needing constant adjustment. This is the same exact engine in every smaller riding mower on the market today. If you don’t get this one, you will get a much worse Kohler equivalent.

An equivalent Honda engine I could swap into my mower would cost me $2,000 for a refurb. Harbor Freight used to sell a motor for this for $800 but discontented it a few years ago. Basically, the entire market segment is shit. Greenworks and Ryobi have the electric mowers for about $5,000 that don’t seem to have these issues but batteries don’t have nearly the energy density than the two gallon of gas which is what it takes to run a normal mower for an hour.

Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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I was hoping this was more of a hardware project as in building the physical mower from scratch. I am not quite sold on the robotic mowers but the quality and market for riding mowers is insane right now. I own two riding mowers and both are completely dead. One needs a rather expensive wiring harness so they it would stop catching fire when it runs. The other has the most common single cylinder engine that comes in…

Using current state of tech parts, including US sourced batteries with 10 year performance guarantees, I designed a "clean sheet" electric UTV constructed with bio-composite materials that would put the John Deere Gator out of business. The NEV carve out is fascinating. I learned how to scale RC cars up so I look at this differently than Lincoln or Tesla thinking EV is a reason to stuff more and more and more things…

Do you have any links to your work?

Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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post #148

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Wouldn’t it be kidnapped easily if it doesn’t use wires or GPS?

I often wonder about this. I think GPS is essential. Tie it to a location - if stolen, it won't operate. Then a way to text you if it is moved outside the designated area. Telling you where it is. At that point, I suppose it would still be worth stealing just for the battery? A hard problem to solve.

The problem with gps is it doesn't work (reliably) under trees which many lawns have. Since trees are common in yards they need something else anyway and at that point you can get rid of the gps

Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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Yeah, in that case, this sounds like a horrific idea. I could hear a neighbours smoke alarm beeping periodically due to low battery the other night and went around to replace the battery for them the next day. Also, I wasn't aware of the showdead setting (and had no idea about the answer that had been hidden), thanks for the tip.

chrip There’s a growing discovery on YouTube and TikTok videos, that some people just live like this.

Your brain will completely tune the beeping sound out after a certain point, if it's a thing you notice at all. Similar reason to reversing truck beepers being replaced with ones that produce white (or other coloured) noise, so you don't lose your ability to hear where they are.

It's hard to believe until it happens to you.

Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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post #148

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Wouldn’t it be kidnapped easily if it doesn’t use wires or GPS?

I often wonder about this. I think GPS is essential. Tie it to a location - if stolen, it won't operate. Then a way to text you if it is moved outside the designated area. Telling you where it is. At that point, I suppose it would still be worth stealing just for the battery? A hard problem to solve.

> if stolen, it won't operate.

I can assure you it won't have level of protection like say iPhone, there will be a factory reset button in the mower.

Re: OpenMower – An open source lawn mower

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post #47

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I don't belive in "open source", I believe in free software. So what? They make something better, so I take what they did and improve my product. It's not my problem if someone from the Big Red East does something with my work as long as they share it too.

> It's not my problem if someone from the Big Red East does something with my work as long as they share it too. They also don't always do that. Look at the super popular BOOX e-ink notebooks. 100% in violation of the GPL, and has been for years, yet available to buy in common retailers such as Best Buy. These are edging out popular devices, such as reMarkable, which are GPL compliant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O…

Uh huh. Why don't you draft me up a license that magically keeps people from violating its rules, then.
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