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The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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How is that xenophobic? Poor form for you.

Isn't "multicultural" a euphemism for immigrants here? Or maybe I misunderstood, in which case I apologize.

Partly. But it isn't necessarily Xenophobia. Those who have different cultures happen to be typically immigrants, but not always.

e.g. In Northern Ireland (and parts of Scotland) there were clashes between Protestants and Catholics. I used to see them all the time on the news when I was a kid. There are two distinct groups (both Christian) that have not co-existed very well historically. I don't know if you would call them different cultures but they are distinct enough to cause a schism.

If you have immigration into one country. These people with different cultures, have different values. That creates a schism between them and the natives.

e.g. You can see this in Spain between British Expats and Spanish Nationals. The British Expats essentially live in particular areas and they are their own subculture in Spain (I know I was one). I lived the entire time in Spain learning nothing more than being able to order Beer, Lunch, Taxi and working out how to use the automated bill payment machine at the BBVA.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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It's not clickbait. Many member states do support this. Much of the disagreement is on just how rights-violating the scanning should be. The situation here in Denmark is dire: nobody in the Danish media reports on it, so everybody just shrugs. I've gone out of my way to educate my coworkers and most are unaware many members of our parliament want this. The number of parties that support it outnumber those who don't.…

Denmark is very liberal in some ways but very much not in others. MitID -- digital id-- is a gateway to everything and is very much gated in terms of access; it took me months to sort out. It's a crime to not tell the state where you live, or to have too many people living in your house (I'd love to know what happens if you give birth on a "full" house -- is there a grace period, or do you have to move?). The work la…

Not sure about the laptop with spyware, that's mostly illegal, though some security software could easily be used to spy on users if the company ignores the rules.

A lot of the stuff the government registeres about an individual is required to ensure that things runs as smoothly and efficiently as they do, even if Danes will frequently complain that the government is anything but smooth and efficient. There was always an understanding and laws protecting that data from being misused. Those rules have slowly been eroding over the past 20 years or so, by increasingly zealots politicians seeking to be "tough on crime and misuse of government services (i.e. brown people not working and living on social welfare)".

Illegal access to information about citizens are pretty frequent, yet our politicians don't seem to ever wanting to back down from collection and analysing data. They are either not smart enough to see the dangers or they are deliberately attempting to create a surveillance state.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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It was more misunderstood than stupid. Ironically when Apple introduced their solution it was actually better than what we have now. It was interesting to watch people lose their minds because they didn't understand how the current or proposed system worked. Current system everything can be decrypted on the cloud and is scanned for CSAM by all ISPs/service providers. Apple wanted the device to scan for CSAM and if it…

So what would stop the list of hashes from being extended with hashes of copyrighted media, evidence of corruption (labelled slander or an invasion of the perpetrator's privacy) or evidence of the preceding abuses of the system themselves? Once you have an established mechanism for "fighting crime", "don't use it to fight that type of crime" is not a position that has any chance of prevailing in the political landsca…

Hashes don't really work that way. They don't actually give any high level of a photo's contents. You can't ask a hash to find all photos of a certain document or a meeting or anything like that. They really only detect exact copies, which makes them somewhat useful only for the most basic of copyright infringement (i.e. proving someone has a copy)

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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Isn't "multicultural" a euphemism for immigrants here? Or maybe I misunderstood, in which case I apologize.

Partly. But it isn't necessarily Xenophobia. Those who have different cultures happen to be typically immigrants, but not always. e.g. In Northern Ireland (and parts of Scotland) there were clashes between Protestants and Catholics. I used to see them all the time on the news when I was a kid. There are two distinct groups (both Christian) that have not co-existed very well historically. I don't know if you would cal…

Sure. That's a very generous interpretation. But I am quite certain OP does not mean "priviliged white dudes" as the issue with "multiculturalism". May OP can expand on what they mean exactly.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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> I feel like this is an absurd position to take when people are literally being snatched off the street and being sent to torture camps in the US. That is of course a gross misrepresentation of what is happening (and I'm being charitable here).

You're either poorly informed or are purposefully spreading misinformation then. Re being dragged off: https://www.al.com/news/mobile/2025/05/alabama-worker-says-i... Re torture: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alligator-alcatraz-flor...

If you'd stop the ad-hominems and suggestions of malice you'd more effectively make your case.

I'm not going to play this game of me investing my time in random links posted to this discussion, but as a once time exception:

- The first link claims a man got detained where ICE thought he had a fake ID but where he was actually a citizen. From the article: "It is not clear where the construction is located and efforts to find contact information for Venegas were not successful. Efforts to reach ICE representatives for comment were not immediately successful." So we have an unsubstantiated claim in an online publication. Is it true? Maybe. If it is, then the worst claimed here is that someone one detained. Not even arrested, let alone anything worse than that. This certainly does not rise to the claims you're making. If the article is true, this is likely an operational mistake that was corrected soon afterwards.

- The second link claims that the mosquitoes in a new temporary detention facility amount to torture. Do I like the optics of the facility? No. Do I want people in detention to get treated with dignity? Of course. The claim of torture is quite extraordinary though. If the facility is not up to standards, I have trust in the system that it will get closed.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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>>Denmark is very liberal in some ways True like not banning bestiality until 2015.... https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-32411241

We also accidentally legalized child pornography for a short period after 1969. That was unintentional though.

Wait, wait, hol' up, double take. How does one accidentally legalize child pornography?

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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I was reflecting on the whole chat apps and protocols the other day and felt we might just have trapped ourselves artificially. If I want to casually keep in touch with a friend, I am supposed to have the following options: - SMS/RCS: no need for an app but is controlled - WhatsApp: no good to many reasons - Signal: how can you believe it is not controlled once it becomes the mandatory app in the US Gov. - Matrix: gr…

> - Signal: how can you believe it is not controlled once it becomes the mandatory app in the US Gov.

Isn't this a good sign? When the US Gov has enough trust to use it internally and officials are already using it for their communications, would this not mean that the service is truly encrypted.

They could have some sort of switch for it, but the frontend is open-source and that's where the encryption happens.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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German politicians love surveillance. I guarantee the CDU and AfD would immediately support this.

The AfD would support it? They seem like one of the more freedom focused parties in Germany.

The AfD came out against chat control in a 2023 press release via one of their MPs. Their 2025 platform reads well at first glance (against surveillance, pro open source, against censorship, in favor of individual data sovereignty), but it is relatively vague and feels a bit buzzwordy.

In addition to that, the AfD is not known for being predictable.

The party lacks a strong institutional core. It is shaped by competing factions, with a weak internal agenda-setting process and a tendency to align with whatever the decision maker closest to making a statement currently perceives as fitting their brand. Positions often shift as a result.

For example, they made a strong commitment to protecting cash, then later pushed for a mandatory payment card system for refugees, explicitly to tighten financial control over that group. In practice, that dramatically helps to normalize financial control through payment systems.

So, TL;DR: no one really knows. They’re inconsistent and hard to forecast.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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I'm sure this is what they said about the UK Inline Safety Act (2023) but guess what, it's here, and live.

Wow I didn't know the UK cared so much about inline functions /s Do you know what's even funnier with the UK? Parliament has most of the power

No, that law was about inline roller skates safety. Knee pads and crash helmets.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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That's just ridiculous. The US president is directly elected by the people, modulo the weirdness of state-level FPTP. Flawed as the electoral college is, there's no comparison whatsoever.

The electoral college is directly elected, the president is appointed. It is the same level of indirection.

The electoral college is a rubber stamp of the popular vote (per state). The commission is selected by the member-states governments with no electoral input. You cannot be making this argument in good faith...
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