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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by felurx »

Not directly related to the arrest, but to Durov:

His Telegram channel is somewhat odd. It's a mix of what you'd expect (updates / general stuff about Telegram), some slightly weird stuff (highly praising countries he visited or talking about his oh-so-high-quality sperm and how he's the biological father of "over 100" kids), and then there's just shilling for some random watch-ads-to-get-coins things or whatever that totally aren't scams built on Telegram's new mini-app thing and TON (which is Telegram's cryptocurrency that they can't legally sell as theirs). You can take a look for yourself here: https://t.me/s/durov

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by wkat4242 »

greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

I hate the way Telegram always gets flak for crime when WhatsApp and Signal can be used for it just as well and they are even harder to track things down on because they have E2EE. Telegram by default doesn't and it doesn't even support it in group chats!

So if these things happen in WhatsApp or Signal we simply don't know about it.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by llm_trw »

mdhb wrote: post #47
thamer wrote: post #40

From the article, that's a massive pile of charges they're dumping onto him, all apparently because people use Telegram in ways the French state disapproves of? > Why was he under threat of a search warrant? > The justice department considers that the lack of moderation, lack of cooperation with law enforcement, and the tools offered by Telegram (disposable number, cryptocurrencies, etc.) make him an accomplice to dr…

A French citizen running a service in France is going to be subject to French laws and can expect to be arrested when they step into the country of France if they have charges pending. This isn’t some grand conspiracy theory.

>A ~French~ Chinese citizen running a service in ~French~ Chinese is going to be subject to ~French~ Chinese laws and can expect to be arrested when they step into the country of ~French~ Chinese if they have charges pending.

>This isn’t some grand conspiracy theory.

Funny that when the wrong country does it it's tyranny. When a Western country does it it's the rule of law.

Especially when they are the exact same thing.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by jimbob45 »

tssge wrote: post #22
Glacia wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

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My understanding is that WhatsApp has never made claims comparable to Telegram or Signal.

I also can’t tell if you’re being sincere. I was under the impression that Telegram was considered significantly less secure than Signal and that the matter was mostly settled. I’ve been seeing the following talking points repeated for years now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/xk1jdw/comment/ipbv...

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by bamboozled »

gmueckl wrote: post #139
greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

That is absolutely not how it works. If you offer a platform for public discourse you are required by law to moderate it or face the consequences. Telegram group chats are technically open to moderation, yet the company has done nothing to put any kind of moderation in place. This is in contrast to Facebook or Twitter. Those platforms will absolutely take down content that is offensive or criminal in nature.

That’s good, while prosecutors and law enforcement are wasting time building a car against him, the drug dealers and pedophiles will just carry on elsewhere.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by k1ndl1 »

gmueckl wrote: post #139
greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

That is absolutely not how it works. If you offer a platform for public discourse you are required by law to moderate it or face the consequences. Telegram group chats are technically open to moderation, yet the company has done nothing to put any kind of moderation in place. This is in contrast to Facebook or Twitter. Those platforms will absolutely take down content that is offensive or criminal in nature.

Actually, there is a moderation within Telegram; it is not at the scale of Meta & X in terms of the head-count. Telegram probably has 100x less employees than Meta (I don't know the actual number) https://telegram.org/tos/eu-dsa

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by [deleted] »

baxtr wrote: post #157
kgeist wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Durov was notorious in Russia for refusing to cooperate with FSB (successor to KGB), too. I remember when FSB asked him to give access to protester communications on VK (in 2011 during mass protests), he mockingly responded with a picture of a dog with its tongue out (showing your tongue means "I won't give it to ya" in Russian culture). That's why he left Russia, because he felt he'd get arrested soon. Quite ironic…

So you don’t think that there a chance this could be cleverly staged?

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by arresin »

lxgr wrote: post #46
tssge wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Telegram has, by design, message content accessible to whoever runs the servers. WhatsApp has gone to great lengths to not have that. Obviously there’s client security, potential backdoors, unencrypted backups, and many other things to worry about. But I don’t see a scenario where it fares worse than Telegram, and many where it’s significantly better.

Whatsapp has to have some kind of escape hatch if not back door simply because of the amount of heat it doesn’t get (think of all the regimes who are ok with it).
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