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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by lazyasciiart »

smallstepforman wrote: post #150
defrost wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia has a population of 26 million, longer life expectancy than the USofA, and comprehensive medical records going back many decades. With ~98% of the population COVID vaccinated multiple times any vaccine effects would stick out like dogs balls. If anyone wants to posit "vaccines cause { stupid | strokes | etc }" Then such correlations should be readily apparent in the before | after records of 26 million test…

Dont believe the 98% vax rate nonsense, in my circle of friends (including 4 doctors, 3 nurses) most got fake certificates. Dont be suprised that a bulk of the medical profession also did the same. I’m disappointed these professionals with very smart people just decided to bypass the mandates in order to keep their jobs instead of taking a firm stand for the benefit of society. Thats humanity for you. Lots of people…

Well, people self select their associates to a large extent. I’m sure bank robbers know other bank robbers, but that doesn’t make it a common characteristic.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by mike_hearn »

kadkadels wrote: post #107
logicchains wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia's excess death rate is still higher than pre-covid: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-20/mortality-rates-austr... . If the Australian government released the data it'd be trivial to identify whether these deaths were concentrated in the vaccinated or the unvaccinated, but so far it hasn't released such data (if it even possesses such data in aggregate format).

Well, in that case, good that Australia isn't the only country in the world: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... which clearly shows that all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated. Here is a Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-exces...

The ONS data cannot be used that way unfortunately, and the ONS themselves have admitted to that fact. If you take the ONS data literally then COVID vaccines are a magical elixir of luck that protect against every cause of death including car crashes.

There are at least two problems:

1. The statistically invalid time-windowing games the public health agencies all played in which people who had taken vaccines were classed as unvaccinated. The sibling comment talks about that. Prof Norman Fenton has shown how this yields incorrectly high calculations of effectiveness.

2. Healthy vaccinee bias, in which people who are about to die aren't vaccinated at all because there's no point, and the sort of people who take lots of vaccines tend to be obsessive about health and risk in other ways.

Problems like these with observational data are why drugs are put through trials before being launched to market. If we check the data for say the Pfizer trial, what we see is no effect on mortality and serious problems with statistical power also, simply because so few people were dying of COVID it was basically impossible to run a trial large enough to prove it had any effect.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by croes »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #38
croes wrote: post #31

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Milllions of people worldwide suddenly have Zinc deficiency in the same year and now it's gone?

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Wouldn't it be a strange coincidence that people have a Zinc deficiency just at the time the are infected with Corona?

Why only the infected?

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by stuaxo »

aredox wrote: post #130
jl6 wrote: post #35

The title is misleading, at least on the IQ claim. The underlying study was observational and did not claim causation. Medical journals and their associated media summaries are awash with low-certainty studies that get de-nuanced and overhyped. These studies are relatively easy to do - not to denigrate the work put in by the original study authors (it’s not their fault the press sensationalize their work). But for st…

That's why the most important element in science is replication - direct (repeating the same experiment) and indirect (refining the original experiment, or testing for the opposite result, or an alternative - here we could test reflexes instead of IQ). And here there is already a lot of replication for several years - plus direct observation of bleeding into the brain. https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/2024/tri…

Thanks for this link on brain fog, I had that for a year after getting Covid early before vaccines were available.

I know there was work recently that found blood tests can find various markers of long covid, I'd like to get this done - but it's not something widely available.

A relative has been getting strange post-viral like symptoms since before Xmas (though no obvious Covid infection), would be great to get them tested too.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by DoreenMichele »

croes wrote: post #173
DoreenMichele wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Wouldn't it be a strange coincidence that people have a Zinc deficiency just at the time the are infected with Corona? Why only the infected?

The infection causes zinc deficiency.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by lazyasciiart »

armchairdweller wrote: post #154
kadkadels wrote: post #146

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Rule number 1: don't argue with conspiracy theorists, they will come up with all sorts of nonsense. >„Fact checkers“ have been shown again and again to be politically biased up to active manipulation. Only people who always agree with the politics they want to push have not noticed at this point. Have they? Show me some of those manipulated fact checkers, please. With reputable sources, I'm not inclined to read bulls…

You seem to be really emotional about this. Need to say, the psychogram of those who defend pharma relentlessly to this day is very interesting. I see anger, insults, trampling onto what an obviously fascist authority teached them at the end of 2021 is „below them“ to elevate oneself. Ignorance of obvious data, sidelining. By now I have seen enough actual data - and on top of that a lot of sad „anecdata“ in my direct…

> Have you called someone who claimed to have a vax damage or who told you a relative died from the vax a „conspiracy theorist“ yet?

Not to her face, no. Not in those words, at least. But that’s because it would upset my mother to have to deal with her idiot conspiracy theorist sister complaining about me being rude, so I am scrupulously polite while dismissing all her crap and she is increasingly sensible about not mentioning it around me. Just as well I started this effort before covid happened or it might not have been enough.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by cies »

dathinab wrote: post #116
jl6 wrote: post #35

The title is misleading, at least on the IQ claim. The underlying study was observational and did not claim causation. Medical journals and their associated media summaries are awash with low-certainty studies that get de-nuanced and overhyped. These studies are relatively easy to do - not to denigrate the work put in by the original study authors (it’s not their fault the press sensationalize their work). But for st…

It's less misleading then you might think. There are cases (enough to not be treated as just some random coincidence; with and without vaccination) where people after Covid had a sever reduction of cognitive abilities that they have problems filling out relatively simple forms. So we can clearly speak of a reduction of IQ. And while there is a lot of research needed and a lot of open questions and already half a year…

> But for everyone else it best to assume that getting COVID might reduce IQ if they are unlucky.

Why assume it if it's not proven yet? We had crazy assumptions on the way lightning worked, I'm glad we have empirical natural sciences now to counter these "wide spread assumptions".

Wrt covid and IQ. Say that during covid IQs measurably dropped: why says its not the WFH, the fear that was rampant or the mRNA vaccine that was massively injected? There for we need bigger studies, control groups, randomization. All of this is there for good reasons (and a lot of this was skipped in the development of mRNA vaccines for a bad reason: fear).

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by defrost »

logicchains wrote: post #94
defrost wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia has a population of 26 million, longer life expectancy than the USofA, and comprehensive medical records going back many decades. With ~98% of the population COVID vaccinated multiple times any vaccine effects would stick out like dogs balls. If anyone wants to posit "vaccines cause { stupid | strokes | etc }" Then such correlations should be readily apparent in the before | after records of 26 million test…

Australia's excess death rate is still higher than pre-covid: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-20/mortality-rates-austr... . If the Australian government released the data it'd be trivial to identify whether these deaths were concentrated in the vaccinated or the unvaccinated, but so far it hasn't released such data (if it even possesses such data in aggregate format).

> If the Australian government released the data it'd be trivial to identify whether these deaths were concentrated in the vaccinated or the unvaccinated, but so far it hasn't released such data (if it even possesses such data in aggregate format).

The ABS releases all manner of aggregate anon data, eg:

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/measuring-australias-excess-...

The Australian states all have comprehensive medical records that have allowed people such as Prof. Fiona Stanley, an Australian epidemiologist to gain international recognition for their work teasing out relationships in many different medical disorders.

Access to fine grained records is limited to researchers for privacy reasons but the pool of researchers across the country is large enoug to rule out any conspiracy to keep secrets (unless someone is deep down a truther well).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Stanley

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