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Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by wkat4242 »

ofcourseyoudo wrote: post #82
adverbly wrote: post #62

Looks cool... but man can these companies just stop it with the fake marketing content already? Between this and the Gemini demo its just so cringe to see obviously staged content. Dude just happens to walk by his partner who isn't doing any real work, but is instead playing with a tennis ball at exactly that moment, and who just randomly decides to immediately and without hesitation fucking yeet it at the guy wearin…

I thought it would be funnier if she was packing her clothes in luggage and she threw her keys to him as she said "I'm leaving you"

Yeah or "those goggles or me, choose now!" :)

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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TurkishPoptart wrote: post #103

I expected a cable dongle and external battery to be dangling off this into his pocket, does AVP no longer require that to be connected for use?

It is. There isn't even a tiny battery that can last a couple minutes while you swap batteries. I would have expected at least that.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by wkat4242 »

lexlash wrote: post #37
avalys wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pass through is indeed very fuzzy. All the reviews where people state “it’s like looking through clear safety goggles”, etc. are bogus. It’s like looking through a cell phone camera from about 10 years ago. Especially in low light (e.g. a home office.) The actual AR content, though, is amazingly sharp.

Side by side with a Meta Quest 3, it’s honestly a full generation ahead, so I can see why reviewers are impressed. (I don’t have a quest pro on hand to compare with right now.) You’re absolutely correct that low light environments suck. My guess is that it’s a latency/sensor trade off leading to the constant noise.

Low light also really sucks on the quest.

And passthrough was worse on the pro than the 3!

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by wkat4242 »

giarc wrote: post #19
eemil wrote: post #3

I like the idea of having presets in specific locations, like your grocery list next to your fridge. Or specific productivity apps near your desk/keyboard. Any idea if visionOS supports this, or if you have to set up the apps every time you come home?

Having your grocery list always next to your fridge implies that you will be wearing this most of the day. Otherwise, why not just keep a list in Notes app or an actual physical list on the fridge?

Well you could sync it with your iPhone, right? I assume it's the same notes app that syncs through iCloud?

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by wkat4242 »

lexlash wrote: post #27
robg wrote: post #2

Quick question: is it comfortable?

Yes and no. In order to get and maintain the best possible clarity, key for text, I have to wear it higher on my face than is comfortable and tighten the strap more than I would prefer. If I could wear it a little lower or with different supports on my face I could easily spend a full day in it; as it is, I’ve yet to spend more than 4h with it on. I find the Meta Quest Pro and 3 more comfortable, but the CV1 was the…

> …I guess I’ve been an enthusiast since the Rift Kickstarter?

The rift CV1 was really comfortable because there wasn't a whole lot in it. No processing, no battery, no cameras. It was pretty light.

And the strap was not built down to a price and skimped on to upsell the elite straps.

Even the much heavier quest 1 was way more comfortable than the quest 2 and 3. Way better standard strap. So good an elite one wasn't even needed.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by beefnugs »

I feel like technology always has a "this is not what i want" problem to huge portions of users. Why haven't we come up with amazing new ways of incredibly fast feedback?

user: "send feedback : i want to quickly switch between windows and I cant seem to do this"

developer : "Hey look here we have 3700 users who want faster task switching features" (submit task request to upper management) (approved) a month later, "hey user 7 feedbacks in the last month may have been solved, slap the naked zuckerberg dingus in your home area to hear more"

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by wkat4242 »

dkonofalski wrote: post #152
criddell wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demoing is hard because of the vision prescription (if needed) and the face scan required to get the light seals right. These things aren’t really designed for sharing. But you can buy one and if it isn’t what you hoped for, you can return it within 14 days. In my experience, returns at Apple are quick and easy.

Apple has the prescription lenses in the stores. If you bring your glasses, they have a device that will shine some lights through your glasses to determine your prescription and pop out the correct lenses needed for the Vision demo.

I wonder how do they manage that with all the corrections needed like for astigmatism? That's a huge range of combinations.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by wkat4242 »

threeseed wrote: post #117
avalys wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pass through is indeed very fuzzy. All the reviews where people state “it’s like looking through clear safety goggles”, etc. are bogus. It’s like looking through a cell phone camera from about 10 years ago. Especially in low light (e.g. a home office.) The actual AR content, though, is amazingly sharp.

This is the part that is going to be fascinating. Is Apple going to build their own version of a full frame / medium format sensor in order to improve the low light performance over the next decade. Because that would have major implications for the photography industry if that were ever to appear in an iPhone.

Hmm I doubt it. The bigger the sensor the bigger the lens especially if you're not looking for ultra wide angles. I doubt much bigger is going to be physically feasible with apples focus on thinness.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by wkat4242 »

cubefox wrote: post #70
js2 wrote: post #29

How long I wonder before Apple is able to link multiple Vision Pros together so that people in the same physical space can share the same augmented reality? Imagine if when he says hello to his partner, she's also wearing a Vision Pro and is able to walk around their house seeing the same reality. That would make the VP much less isolating which is one of the main "I'd never use this" reasons I have against it. I cou…

This reminds me of some dystopian science fiction film where everyone is immersed in a shiny AR layer, while reality without the layer is dirty and derelict. Scene: A fancy nightclub, pretty people dancing to very loud music, surreal virtual objects and effects everywhere. Swap to reality: The music turns off. It's no longer night. An old, run-down building. Headset people in shabby clothes dancing to inaudible sound…

Do you remember the film?

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by euroderf »

OT, but: Gruber makes the point [1] that AVP uses indirect manipulation, where the iPhone uses direct. "You don’t reach out and grab a window bar to move the window."

So I have to wonder, did it occur to Apple to try direct manipulation ? The basis would be to emulate Reed Richards a.k.a. Mr Fantastic (elastic).

[1] https://daringfireball.net/2024/02/simple_tricks_and_nonsens...

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