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Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by audunw »

js2 wrote: post #29

How long I wonder before Apple is able to link multiple Vision Pros together so that people in the same physical space can share the same augmented reality? Imagine if when he says hello to his partner, she's also wearing a Vision Pro and is able to walk around their house seeing the same reality. That would make the VP much less isolating which is one of the main "I'd never use this" reasons I have against it. I cou…

I feel like it’s more or less guaranteed that Apple will end up implementing this eventually. Just as my wife and I can both connect our AirPods to the Apple TV and watch a movie while the kids are sleeping.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by adverbly »

Looks cool... but man can these companies just stop it with the fake marketing content already?

Between this and the Gemini demo its just so cringe to see obviously staged content.

Dude just happens to walk by his partner who isn't doing any real work, but is instead playing with a tennis ball at exactly that moment, and who just randomly decides to immediately and without hesitation fucking yeet it at the guy wearing a headset who is clearly trying to make a recording. Come on people... what has tiktok done to us?

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by tambourine_man »

wnevets wrote: post #26

This is starting to me remind of when everyone was talking about replacing their Desktop/Laptop with an iPad and a Bluetooth keyboard for their work machine. I don't know anyone who was able to do so successfully.

It depends on your workflow. I'd never voluntarily infringe that burden uppon myself, but if you only work on terminal/slack/zoom all day, it's quite doable.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by kj99 »

I’m curious how that works out for him. I have been using mine fairy intensely for work since I got it on Friday, and I don’t do it anything remotely like that.

I do use screen mirroring with my Mac, and it works well for me. My physical monitor is a 24” 4K, and I have my Vision Pro set to replicate that. It’s most comfortable to have it replicate a bigger display further back than the physical monitor, but in practice the FOV of the mirrored display is pretty similar to my real one.

I have also found myself using a bunch of auxillary VP windows, but I don’t arrange them as fixed planes as if they were more monitors. I tend to open them much more dynamically and move them around. The gesture and eye tracking makes this practical so I see no reason to ‘fix’ them in place.

You can do things like dragging a single note out of apple notes and placing it next to your Mac display, of even in front. Also there is no reason to have windows be these giant panels floating far away. It works just as well to have a messaging app be a 4 inch window floating just above your keyboard. It’s also easy to just grab these things and pull them in and out of your field of view.

Another thing that is overlooked is that you can have a lot of windows overlapping each other in the virtual space and they ghost out of the way of the selected window if it is behind them, so you can work with a bunch of windows stacked front to back.

I have enjoyed leaving things like the economist app open in front of a couch in another room and then walking in there to sit down when I’m taking a break from work.

I also have been super productive sitting on my bed immersed in the white sands environment watching developers videos and reading docs in safari etc.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by uicompat »

This was a great demo, and the spatial computing stuff is cool, but what?

He’s showing off that he has a big screen tv playing a video, overlayed over his big screen tv, playing a video without anyone watching it.

He shows video playing cooking tutorials in his kitchen when he and his partner are both in other rooms working at their desks.

A “note” pinned to his fridge, that he can only see while wearing the headset.

He shows a screen for playing his music pinned to a wall on the other side of the room.

He either has to get up and move to that location to change his music, which is somehow being presented as better than having a tab open on his browser, or he would just use a tab open on his browser and the whole spatial setup is just flashy moot.

I once had a desk setup with two screens where I angled one screen aggressively to the left to attempt to stop allowing the corporate chat program to distract my immediate vision and it hospitalized me with a chronic neck injury.

This setup is ‘cool’ but I feel like we’ve already trudged these waters.

I’m confused by the enthusiasm. Have we all forgot that we’ve been through this “virtual desktop” cycle already?

Are these all people that just ignored the previous stereoscopic headsets as “toys” who are seduced into it this time around by APPL’s marketing that this is for “working adults”?

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

mil22 wrote: post #53
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What's wrong with Alt/Option - Tab instead? In my life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narro…

Totally agree. I have tried multiple monitors so many times over the years but always come back to a single display, usually 24-27”. Turning your head is a hassle. I also find turning my eyes fatiguing if the angle of movement is too great. So I tend to prefer smaller, higher PPD displays over larger displays with the same resolution. I want a lot of pixels in a compact FOV. For me, 4K 24” has been the sweet spot for…

I don't understand. I don't even have to technically turn head with 3 screens. It's just eyes I have to move, and even if I turned head, it's barely 20 degrees?

I have 3 screens, but honestly would prefer more.

I find it more uncomfortable to eyes to switch screens on the same window, especially if one is light and the other is dark. The blinking is disorientating and can be eye hurting, because eye is not prepared for the color switch/ doesn't know what to expect.

I have 22 inchers around 32 inches away from my eyes.

When looking at the video in the OP, the issue is more like the screen seems so close and plastered to the FOV. When you could have more screens further away.

In real life all 3 screens are in my FOV, I would feel massively overwhelmed if it appeared as it did in his video, not sure if it is giving a correct perception.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by kraftman »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What's wrong with Alt/Option - Tab instead? In my life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narro…

100% agree with this. I've tried dual and triple screens over the years but what's stuck for me is a 43inch 4k monitor, its about the biggest I can go without having to move my head too much

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by dansalvato »

I've been wearing AVP extensively these past few days, experimenting with using it for all kinds of things. As of now, I don't find it more efficient or seamless at doing much of anything.

1. There is no window management whatsoever. It would be great if I could stick apps to each other, or tile them in a frame, but I can't do that. I also can't stack windows—if I put one window behind another, the only way to access it is to move the front window out of the way, or to close it. Kind of ridiculous, because I'm pretty sure that problem was already solved in the early 80s, if not ealier.

2. The field of view is really narrow. I have a 32:9 curved monitor, and I can easily look at the "side" apps by tilting my head just a few degrees, with my eyes doing the rest of the work. AVP demands tilting your head much more in either direction to see the window content, making it much harder to momentarily glance at.

3. I've had awful luck with the MacBook screen projection. Others may not have this issue. After a couple minutes of using it, it begins to heavily stutter to the point of being unusable. The keyboard handoff randomly disconnects. And AVP doesn't yet support bluetooth mice, only trackpads (either the MacBook's built-in trackpad, or a Magic Trackpad).

At least for normal desk work, AVP does not improve speed or efficiency in any way—it does the opposite. Hell, when I'm projecting my MacBook screen, I have to resist the temptation to just use desktop apps for everything, because they're so much faster and easier to use than the floating visionOS/iPadOS apps.

It's the iPad all over again. If you're a seasoned PC power user, using AVP will only hurt your efficiency in the same way that it would to try offloading some of your work to an iPad.

With that said, it does make certain things more enjoyable. Apple clearly didn't make this device as a solution to existing problems. The point is that it's a new relationship that we get to have with technology, which will possibly change the way we want to use technology.

But for real, Apple hasn't launched a first-gen product this limited in use since the original iPhone. It has a long way to go before it actually starts making digital life more efficient, except for some highly specialized use cases.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by cubefox »

js2 wrote: post #29

How long I wonder before Apple is able to link multiple Vision Pros together so that people in the same physical space can share the same augmented reality? Imagine if when he says hello to his partner, she's also wearing a Vision Pro and is able to walk around their house seeing the same reality. That would make the VP much less isolating which is one of the main "I'd never use this" reasons I have against it. I cou…

This reminds me of some dystopian science fiction film where everyone is immersed in a shiny AR layer, while reality without the layer is dirty and derelict.

Scene:

A fancy nightclub, pretty people dancing to very loud music, surreal virtual objects and effects everywhere.

Swap to reality: The music turns off. It's no longer night. An old, run-down building. Headset people in shabby clothes dancing to inaudible sounds, talking way too loudly, interacting with non-existent objects in the empty air. Everything is dusty. Beams of sunlight shining through half transparent windows. They haven't been cleaned for decades.

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