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Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by einpoklum »

lousken wrote: post #149
einpoklum wrote: post #78

It's useless with this near-zero-height keyboard. Instead of offering us a usable keyboard, they put in RGB lighting. Unless they offer something we can press with decent key travel - and I mean no less than 2.5 mm - I'm not buying. (For those who don't know what I mean: https://www.pcworld.com/article/557179/full-travel-keyboard-... )

my thinkpad keyboard from 2014 definitely has and yes, I do say that even though I also have a keychron keyboard for my desktop

> and it feels amazing

If you used the ones from 2012 and earlier, you would find the 2014 laptop keyboard only passable...

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Post by celrod »

prewett wrote: post #144
askonomm wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Touched maybe not, but it's almost 20 hours worse. Surely it doesn't have to be THAT bad?

Apple's 22 hr rating for the 16" MBP is a maximum for a niche task, it's only (up to) 15 hrs of "wireless web", which is a more typical usage and would only be about 12 hrs worse. All that configurability of the Framework takes up space, so its battery is 15% less (85 W/h compare to 100 W/h for the MBP). The MBP has a CPU and instruction set that was optimized for low power from the beginning, compared to x86 which h…

I would love to see a Snapdragon Elite X in a Framework.

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Post by dheera »

nfriedly wrote: post #170
dheera wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It wakes from sleep and reconnects wifi before I'm done opening the lid My experience was this is only true for "s2idle" suspend but that mode causes battery drain of 30% every 8 hours which was way more than I was willing to tolerate. It's okay I guess if you're just commuting and unplugging-plugging or something. But it didn't work for me for leisure travel when I would often go 24 hours without opening my laptop…

You're probably right about that. Mine hibernates after a few hours, and then it does take a bit longer to be ready to use, but I've never noticed significant battery drain in between usages. My SSD is a SK Hynix P41, which I believe does support the lower power states.

Yes, I use a SK Hynix P31.

I previously used a Samsung 980 Pro and that did NOT work with deep sleep.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by [deleted] »

gregwtmtno wrote: post #30
pachico wrote: post #24

I am really happy with my fw13. I love everything of it. I even made the simulation of upgrading to 64gb of ram just after I bought it to prove myself that it was the right choice. I cannot think of going back to buying something I know I'll most likely have to replace entirely after some time because it cannot be upgraded.

Just wanted to chime in that I love my Framework 13 as well. It's been running great on Ubuntu for well over a year now--no complaints.

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Post by theshrike79 »

depressedpanda wrote: post #121
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions folks have on this product.

When will it be available in Sweden? I followed the prompt on the website and signed up for the newsletter, but I got so much marketing spam that was totally irrelevant to my one and only question that I had to unsubscribe.

Same question but for Finland.

I’ve got the money here, had it for at least two years. I just don’t have a way to give it to Framework

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by danShumway »

I'm very excited about this; I'm not in a position right now where I particularly need a laptop, but my existing laptop is very much EOL at this point, to the point where some components have started failing, and depending on reviews I strongly suspect that when I need a new laptop the Framework 16 will be it.

The biggest feature I want is a good stylus/touchscreen for portable drawing, in my dream world that would be something I could swap in and out, possibly replacing the keyboard. I can imagine having the front keyboard mostly be a touchscreen display and just sticking a narrow module to one side of the screen with hotkeys...

Having a decent laptop that I can add a GPU to and take a GPU off of, add a digitizer and use as a drawing tablet or remove a touchscreen for trips where I don't need one, switch keyboards for specific projects -- quick swapping of components isn't just cool from a repair perspective, it's a major selling point to be able to have a single device that can serve multiple roles on demand. In most cases you probably don't want a GPU on a laptop; you want extra battery life. Until you do. And when you have some rendering workload or something intensive to do, you turn off the computer, plug in the GPU, and turn it back on.

I really hope that 3rd-party components take off. I'm trying to be responsible and wait until I have an actual need (and at the very least I want to wait and see reviews), but I'd be very tempted to buy one of these as soon as they launch if there was digitizer support, there aren't a lot of good, repairable, linux-compatible drawing tablets on the market.

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Post by paxys »

anonporridge wrote: post #152

I wanted to love Framework, but it just doesn't compete at all with my X1 Carbon. Then again, I've failed to find any laptop that I like more than the X1 Carbon. It's damn near perfect.

It absolutely competes if you value upgradability. The two are about the same price for similar specs, but the moment you buy the X1 the clock starts ticking. Heck even the RAM in it is soldered to the motherboard these days.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by nrp »

dheera wrote: post #166
thenobsta wrote: post #109

I'll chime in and say that I love my FW13. It's a great machine. I got the DIY kit and had my 7yo put it together. It was straightforward with a little help from dad (even installing Ubuntu!). Now we fight over who gets to use it.

I love my FW13 too. I just wish it had more options for components. I can of course pick my own SSD and RAM configuration but that's true of every Lenovo laptop. I wish I could get a 4K screen, an eInk screen, a touchscreen, a Dvorak keyboard, a OLED keyboard, an IMU/GPS/barometer expansion module, a pico projector expansion module, a software-defined-radio expansion module, a larger aperture webcam module, an IR web…

We've seen Microcontroller, SDR, and IR Expansion Cards from the community! We'd definitely love to see some of the even more complex ones though, and expect that as the community continues to mature and grow, some will make it through: https://community.frame.work/c/developer-program/85

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Review

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Post by cassepipe »

pachico wrote: post #24

I am really happy with my fw13. I love everything of it. I even made the simulation of upgrading to 64gb of ram just after I bought it to prove myself that it was the right choice. I cannot think of going back to buying something I know I'll most likely have to replace entirely after some time because it cannot be upgraded.

Really happy too after running Fedora for about a year now on the 12th gen.

I had doubts about the 3:2 screen ratio but although it was unfamiliar at first I quickly realized that the extra vertical space for a 13' computer !

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