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YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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That has been Disney's motto since forever. The "golden age if Disney" is all public domain works and fairy tales.

Public domain for thee, but not for me.

Arguably, the corruption here is not Disney, but the lawmakers agreeing to change the law. If lawmakers cannot handle the pressure from large lobbyists, they should forbid large lobbyists. Etc.

Disney should be allowed to protect their interests within the applicable laws.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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This looks false, the Buster Keaton film was released the same year, not 14 years earlier, according to wikipedia. And both were inspired by an 18 year old song, Steamboat Bill, which Mickey whistles at the start.

You have misread the post: it explicitly says that Steamboat Bill was released the same year, " no waiting 14 years"—as in, they didn't wait for the copyright to expire.

Thanks for clarification.

The Wikipedia entry implies they're both riffing on the song, not that the cartoon is riffing on the Keaton film.

I guess I'm surprised if it wasn't coincident given only 6 months between releases!

It's also a little confusing how the Lessig refers to the Keaton film as "Steamboat Bill" when it's "Steamboat Bill, Jr." - the song that appears in both is "Steamboat Bill."

You're right that I read it wrong; I'm still not sure if it's correct though.

edit: Having watched them both, they both of course are steamboat themed. Early on, Bill Jr is referred to once as "Willie", and Bill Jr appears to be a musician while Willie is almost entirely musical (using animals as instruments). Those do feel like references. The contents mostly feel unrelated though.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Google has two options here: 1) Accept all take down notices at face value and let the courts handle disputes 2) Become a mediator and open themselves up for liability It's no surprise Google chooses option 1 given the scale they must operate at. It's a consequence of the legal system which makes Google liable for not taking action immediately on valid claims, but also making it such validity not determined until aft…

And a consequence of their choice to operate at a certain scale.

To be fair to Google even if Youtube shrunk overnight to Vimeo size they would still likely follow the same policy, due to how the law is written.

In fact that might be Vimeo's current policy too, though I'm not sure on their end.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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How do you suppose one should aggregate the contributions from all the different stakeholders? I don’t think you can.

It seems you might be arguing a that it's untenable to account for individual actions. While a precise measurement is certainly infeasible, there are numerous philosophical frameworks that look to aggregate morality on a scale that can be compared, e.g. Utilitarianism and Consequentialism.

As far as I am aware many people have tried to prove so under those 'philosophical frameworks', but they've never succeeded so far.

If you know of one, can you link a proof?

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Very piracy, but okay for the big guy.

You realize that the folks at Disney put in thousands of hours to create their own version of the story. Yeah, they borrowed a bit, but they put in plenty of their own work. But go ahead and pretend that this is the same as the cheap-ass behavior of some stoned pirate who can't bring himself to pay for content and uses Lessig as a justification for his thievery.

>Yeah, they borrowed a bit, but they put in plenty of their own work.

And "Steamboat Bill" didn't?

I fail to see the difference outside of the fact that Grimm et. Al didn't have a small army OF lawyers to say otherwise.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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But there's the law and then there's a company's ability to make another's life miserable by way of lawsuit. So even if you're right, getting sued by Disney, Warner Brothers, Universal and every other player in the media world on a regular basis will cost you a staggering amount of time and money and will generate a lot of bad press. Just taking content down on the other hand costs you very little. And since copyrigh…

On what grounds would they file suit? If YouTube complies with the DMCA §512 requirements, it’s a safe harbour, granted immunity from copyright liability.

Even if the takedown process is followed, the DMCA §512 safe harbor doesn't apply if the service provider has "actual knowledge" of specific infringing content. Content ID was (probably) first developed in response to lawsuit by Viacom on those grounds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom_International_Inc._v._Y....), although it's not clear if their arguments would have ultimately been successful.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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I understand you are ’reworking’ a reductive history of Pixar’s canon meme except for one thing you added: “talking African animals”. Which is a reference to the Lion King, one of the mouse’s 2d classics, which is also one of their most egregious derivative works. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimba_the_White_Lion

I enjoyed this comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5B1mIfQuo4 more than Kimba or Lion King (longer than both of them too!) lion king 1 1/2 was fantastic tho

Fair point. I even remember that video releasing and here I am 3 years later spreading misinformation like exactly what it is ranting about.

I think the visual/contextual similarities with the original manga/anime run do in fact point more plainly to the reality of the mouses' relationship with their public domain reworks.

That is, what they did exactly exemplifies excellent use of the public domain. They did more than just updated reproductions of the original works. They used the public domain as a starting point, an inspiration, but told their own stories; often wildly different from their source, like, where I mention elsewhere, The Little Mermaid.

The problem focused on should be that while they benefited from having access to these works in the public domain they have spent time and resources to ensure others are unable to do the same with work they have financial control over that should have long been included in the public domain.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Public domain for thee, but not for me.

Arguably, the corruption here is not Disney, but the lawmakers agreeing to change the law. If lawmakers cannot handle the pressure from large lobbyists, they should forbid large lobbyists. Etc. Disney should be allowed to protect their interests within the applicable laws.

Or maybe people and should have morals and standards beyond "whatever is legal."

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

#179

it became public domain in the US. Disney still holds copyright elsewhere and Youtube must adhere to all national copyright laws in countries which have access to youtube

Not only this, but the musical works contained within the video may not be public domain. I can’t tell whether he has replaced all of the audio or dubbed his version on top of existing music.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

#180

it became public domain in the US. Disney still holds copyright elsewhere and Youtube must adhere to all national copyright laws in countries which have access to youtube

Pretty sure YouTube/Google have a notion of region and can selectively enforce copyright if they choose to.

Yup, correct. And interestingly the article says it was in fact blocked from view in some territories.

Which makes me think that the copyright claim is not actually about the video content but likely audio.

So perhaps they have blocked in territories where the video is not yet public domain and there’s a copyright claim in the territory (USA) where some other copyright controlled element is causing an issue.

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