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New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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You should try the Australian immigration process.

Unless things changed recently, Australian immigration is much easier for a person of his profile.

Fair, that fit his profile.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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Yes it is. Every foreign employee getting that tech job is a US citizen from the Midwest not getting it. Fuck this dishonest talking point, I know people coding since high school working at Toyota plants while people from overseas with entry level skill sets have employers move them to the west coast and land jobs (for whatever reason.) It’s favoritism, it’s cronyism, it’s a nation putting its own struggling people l…

> a US citizen from the Midwest not getting it No offense, but maybe your resume didn't reflect that you had the skills required. The companies I worked at and now portfolio companies of mine pay Bay Area market rate to both citizens and non-citizens. We hire noncitizens because we didn't find the right talent we need.

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Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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> The US is and always has been a country of immigrants. Your idea of who is and isn't an immigrant is simply a question of what time window you choose. In 1800, the US had a population of ~2 million. by 1900 it was ~50 million. You want to guess how itt got that way? Just because we needed and encouraged immigration 200 years ago doesn't mean we have a duty to never adjust policies based on current needs and realiti…

Pretty much every advanced economy is seeing stagnant population growth. Integrating immigrants is one of our most important skills and we need to keep practicing it.

Look how integration of migrants looks like in western Europe. Worshipers of economic growth don't see all the social issues mass scale immigration brings.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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>“You don’t have any accomplishments,” the lawyer told him. “You don’t have a patent, or even a product.” That scolding spurred Sanjay to make a list of what he needed to do to achieve his goal of staying permanently. He improved the technology his AI-based firm was developing, expanded its customer base, and filed for a U.S. patent, which was awarded earlier this year. In May those efforts paid off, allowing him to…

> if this will lead people to spam the patent office with low quality inventions hoping something will stick and help them secure a EB-1 visa.

Not much really. The reason being it is already happening as incredibly common thing for last few decades or maybe even longer.

I have seen many fine researchers at workplace like you mentioned above.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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Oh the US has been amazing to me! I love the US! It gave me degrees (funded by American donors), it gave me work experience, it provided me with capital markets to raise $$ and build companies. I love it all. However, since the US doesn't really want me to be physically IN the US, I will simply continue loving the US from afar. I will maintain equity in US companies, I will take US capital and I will sell to US custo…

what would your chosen passion have been if your parents hadn't forced you to be a STEM over-achiever?

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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Degree from a recognized school. Verified work history in the field. Those wouldn't be perfect metrics, and they might be easy to fudge. So it then becomes a question of if disqualification of the capable is worse than qualification of the incapable. I personally prefer to let more people in than less. It's not like it's smooth sailing in the US if you can't do skilled work.

Degree and work history are already a significant part of evaluation on L1/L2 and H1B visas. IIRC 3 years of work experience are considered equivalent to 1 year of college education, which allows those who didn't get a degree but have extensive experience to also have an avenue for obtaining a Visa.

It’s a ridiculous system to value 12 years of experience in the movie industry as on par with a film degree. The software industry makes it even more absurd since historically the very top talent has often skipped college and become world class in their early 20s.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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I’d be delighted to be proven wrong but the ten year minimum experience comes from the second reference: > Letters from current or former employers documenting at least 10 years of full-time experience in your occupation EDIT: I see where you misunderstood. I emphasized the age to show how long someone would be waiting for a non-precarious situation. I’ll edit above. Apologies if I’m unclear, I mean getting the H1-B…

> Letters from current or former employers documenting at least 10 years of full-time experience in your occupation Thats if you are in the second row in the table above. i.e "Exceptional Ability". You don't need it if you have masters or bachelors + 5. > Meanwhile, they’re trying to maintain work authorization There is no 'meanwhile' , they are not in eb green card queues without going though the h1 lottery first. I…

Fair on the first point, I’ll adjust the text to clarify the need for a BS.

On the second point, first claim, you can be in an EB-1 queue without an H1-B (e.g. OPT or TN [1]). On the second claim, I admit to not knowing someone who is in the queue and in the lottery but they’re on TN, preparing materials for an EB-1 and applying for an H1-B. My understanding was that they’d apply for both concurrently (due to the EB queue period), but I have no references to back me up.

[1] If you were born in China and then immigrated to Canada, you’re still in the China queue for EB.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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You don't have to look far, Canada has already implemented a point based system for granting permanent residence to skilled workers. It assigns scores to applicants based on education, skills, employment offer, language speaking ability, etc. I believe it can be a good starting point for a more objective selection criteria than the current system which is more based on luck. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refug…

Trump attempted to implement a points based system and was met with fierce resistance: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/05/17/key-facts... https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/08/06/h-1b-...

Yea, companies using H-1B to hire cheap workers fought the changes hard.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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People in tech have blinders are. We're already in tech, so we don't see the repercussions. Entry level jobs are almost non-existent, they're all going overseas and to indentured servants.

This is just a repeat of what started in the 90s (probably earlier). It's really a scheme for companies to get access to more talent to drive wages down.

News flash. The demand has started to slow down.

20 years ago, the Chinese backlog used to be in the decades range. Now it's 2 years.

The Indian backlog used to be multi-decade too, but is now 11.

Already, we've had engineers at portfolio companies decide to return to India to either earn a dollar salary or start their own startup.

At this point, we've decided to straight up outsource jobs to India, Israel, and Eastern Europe. The talent base we need doesn't exist in the US.

These guys could have become taxing paying members of American society. Now they'll make contributions to India, Eastern Europe, and Israel instead

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