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New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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Expect further downward pressure on US tech salaries.

The economy is not a zero sum game.

The US created literally all relevant consumer technology in the last 30 or so years and demand for tech talent has exploded ever since.

Having a competitve sector/ economy which regularly pushes the edge of innovation and hence expands demand (both on sell and supply side) is actually what keeps salaries up.

This logic is as deeply flawed as often as it comes up.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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post #4

Expect further downward pressure on US tech salaries.

People in tech have blinders are. We're already in tech, so we don't see the repercussions. Entry level jobs are almost non-existent, they're all going overseas and to indentured servants.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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>“You don’t have any accomplishments,” the lawyer told him. “You don’t have a patent, or even a product.” That scolding spurred Sanjay to make a list of what he needed to do to achieve his goal of staying permanently. He improved the technology his AI-based firm was developing, expanded its customer base, and filed for a U.S. patent, which was awarded earlier this year. In May those efforts paid off, allowing him to…

Not any more than other patent applicants. Currently all the layers in patent application process is incentivized to ignore quality. 1. Large companies pay a bonus for every patent applied and bigger one for approval. 2. Patent lawyers are paid for filed patents. 3. Patent office makes money on each patent. They view the review process as a cost center and optimize it for fast approval.

>Currently all the layers in patent application process is incentivized to ignore quality.

Not just "incentivized to ignore quality", they aren't duty-bound to consider quality at all. The PTO evaluates applications for novelty, not quality.

The three main relevant parts of the US Code are:

35 USC Sec. 101: is it patentable? (i.e., it must be a process, machine, process, or manufactured good. It can't be something like an idea or song)

35 USC Sec. 102: is it novel? (i.e., no one single prior existing item teaches all the limitations of the patent claims)

35 USC Sec. 103: is it non-obvious? (i.e., you can't combine a couple of different patents to arrive at your patent)

There's a few other important sections (like 112 that ensures you're giving enough detail), but none of them look at "quality". In other words, you can patent a worthless invention as long as it passes those wickets.

Edit: Somewhat surprisingly to some, they don't necessarily evaluate infringement either. So you could, in theory, have a novel patent that you can't use to make something because it infringes on an existing patent.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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A historic year of tech layoffs? Does that mean most tech layoffs ever? Or just that layoffs occurred when they didn’t in the last few years?

Every layoff is “historic” to those affected

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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>“You don’t have any accomplishments,” the lawyer told him. “You don’t have a patent, or even a product.” That scolding spurred Sanjay to make a list of what he needed to do to achieve his goal of staying permanently. He improved the technology his AI-based firm was developing, expanded its customer base, and filed for a U.S. patent, which was awarded earlier this year. In May those efforts paid off, allowing him to…

As a US citizen interested in improving the visa process who regularly interfaces with policymakers, propose an objective rubric that is better and I will get it in front of policymakers. Can't guarantee an outcome, will guarantee the effort. Patent quota is bullshit, but also "I know talent when I see it" (even though I do and how I hire) isn't going to fly. Sorting hats are hard, Goodhart's Law, etc. High level, you are attempting to build a system to encourage the best and brightest to come work (and hopefully make it home) in the US while defending against those who will attempt to find system weakness to exploit.

EDIT: I won't pollute the thread with thank yous for replies, but they are appreciated.

(thoughts and opinions always my own)

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

#30
post #4

Expect further downward pressure on US tech salaries.

People who gain citizenship are no longer in a precarious visa situation nor tied to their current employer. Moving people off visas and into PR/citizenship would seem to me to remove downward pressure on salaries.

Heck, workers with PR/citizenship are probably more likely to unionize for higher wages because they feel safer.

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