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Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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sigh What? I just described two scenarios where I’m on a paid plan and I still get ads. > For journalism, this has become an existential threat as web-users generate nowhere near as much revenue than selling printed paper. Printed, paid-for newspapers also have ads.

To be fair "logged in" doesn't imply paid. Might want to edit to clarify if you still can

Thanks, I did that now.

Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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Naive question, but when you sign up to pay for a service you are promised various functions or improvements, one of them is no-ads experience. If company then starts showing ads, isn't that breaking at least some consumer-protection laws?

They're allowed to change the offering. They're not allowed to offer you one thing, but supply another. YouTube is currently testing their legal waters. They currently offer an "ad free" experience with the subscription of Premium. Despite this, they still serve: * In-feed ads. These include ads for content prominence (preferential placement for creators), articles with link-out, ads for Google products and services…

> Once the Digital Markets Act comes into effect in the EU in a couple of months I'll be installing alternative frontends for YouTube which include SponsorBlock.

this is weird. are we sure this is a thing in the EU? because the idea of having some sort of regulation forcing a private company to have their product offered by some other party raises so many issues. it's not like youtube is some sort of public good, it's a product offered by a private company.

who pays for the bandwidth, engineers, data centers? will the 3rd party pay for these things? if youtube is forced to break it's own TOS, and this leads to users moving away from YouTube but still somehow taking advantage of YouTube's offerings, why even provide the service at all, what exactly would be the point as the product would be loss making? and will capping access be back in the cards (we can't offer any more of these videos because it will cause losses)? and what about tracking viewers, how can we track these viewers when they're coming in from some 3rd party?

I feel like I'm misunderstanding something...

Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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Ad free internet costs ~$40 one time fee. Raspberry Pi + pihole dns.

I tried Pihole a couple of years ago, and while it did block every god forsaken ad, I had a lot of trouble with sites not working right, and the process of turning off the Pihole for that was annoying. Has anything changed since then?

Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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There’s this local newspaper. While I’m on a logged in account (EDIT: paid) the ads seem to take up at least 25% screen real estate at all times. The best ones are the ones that graciously show up while scrolling, dynamically—it’s like wathing TV (again)! My favorite place though is the gym. Which costs a lot when you just go there to use frickin’ weights and cardio equipment. LCD screens with ads running (for local…

Slightly off-topic, but a home gym pays back in no-time (if you only use weights and some simple equipment like a bench and a pullup rack, that is).

This assumes you have the space

Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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I resonate hard with this, and I'm glad it's being flagged as a trend. I didn't quite realize how soul-crushing ads were until I got rid of them. Now I'm on YouTube Premium and Twitch Turbo and look forward to getting rid of more ads.

Over the past 2 months I've switched from a YouTube Premium subscriber, to a regular logged-in YouTube user and finally to a no-account user. The increase in ads, particular transitioning to no-account; is staggering. YouTube adverts have always been prominent and irritating but without an account they are downright aggressive. I think an 18 minute video I watched last night had a pair of adverts served every ~2 minu…

The advertisers want to make the internet like TV: the thing all us internet users tried desperately to escape from.

Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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Slightly off-topic, but a home gym pays back in no-time (if you only use weights and some simple equipment like a bench and a pullup rack, that is).

With a little creativity it can work well. The essentials include an olympic bar and weights, barbells, squat rack, and bench. The upfront cost isn't too bad (maybe a few years worth of gym membership). The space requirements can be prohibitive. Setup can also be annoying with limited space because it can mean dragging all the equipment to another location to use, then back again to pack it up.

True. I purchased my weights before covid and was very happy the moment the lockdowns started here. Ultimately, I started my home gym because this way I have no excuses to not train. It's next to my computer and everytime I feel the urge to train I can do that immediately (not on a training scheme right now). Put on some nice music (without ads) and defy gravity, usually without changing to gym clothing (yes, they go in the laundry afterwards).

Depending on what you pay for a gym membership of course, I think I started saving money after 1,5 to 2 years (cheap gym membership compared to relatively cheap equipment at home).

Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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Slightly off-topic, but a home gym pays back in no-time (if you only use weights and some simple equipment like a bench and a pullup rack, that is).

This assumes you have the space

I prefer public gyms by far but you can build a very capable home gym that fits under half a bed. Forget squats, deadlifts and bench presses and bring in unilateral variations at higher rep counts and you won't need much more than a handle and a pair of 45's for years.

Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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Does anyone know why there doesn't exist a micro-transaction capability to buy one marginal ad-free item at a time? E.g. buy just this Economist article for $0.25 rather than subscribing for the whole month? I know there are significant issues with micro-transaction cost but I figure you could set up a little token service with minimum cash-in and cash-out amounts (say $5). Do companies like the Economist crunch the…

Blendle in the Netherlands tried it for 5 years (2014-2019), but stopped because they couldn't make it profitable. I don't think it was the news outlets complaining, but just not enough articles sold to make the margin they needed, so internationally this still might scale (lots more work contracting publishers, of course). Afaik Blendle is now a subscription service with a flat fee all you can read model.

One of the Blendle founders described this as cyclical in nature. People get bored with paying for a lot of content they don't need, so they switch to a pay-per-item service. Then they get bored of the nickel-and-dime experience (and perhaps pay more than they anticipated), so they get interested in an all-you-can-eat model again. He pointed at cable TV as an example, continually bundling and unbundling popular content to either persuade people to pay for a bundle or to pay for pay-per-view.

I'm waiting for a smart content provider that has a 'never pay more' model. Stream a movie for 6 bucks, but since the all-you-can-eat bundle price point is 30 bucks, once you watch 5 movies, the rest are free for the remainder of the month.

Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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post #174

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Slightly off-topic, but a home gym pays back in no-time (if you only use weights and some simple equipment like a bench and a pullup rack, that is).

This assumes you have the space

I just measured the footprint of my home gym (only weights, a small bench and a pullup rack) and it's like 2 (two!) square meters. Take another 2 square meters for exercising and lifting, and I'm good to go.

Caveat, I parked my bench inside my pullup rack (don't have to move it before training though).

Re: Welcome to the ad-free internet

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There’s this local newspaper. While I’m on a logged in account (EDIT: paid) the ads seem to take up at least 25% screen real estate at all times. The best ones are the ones that graciously show up while scrolling, dynamically—it’s like wathing TV (again)! My favorite place though is the gym. Which costs a lot when you just go there to use frickin’ weights and cardio equipment. LCD screens with ads running (for local…

I'd even argue that internet, while it was seen as a counter-balance to the ad infected tv and radio space, has become WORST than watching a TV. If I want to show something on YT to my friend, and I don't know exactly which video is correct, well lots of luck to me to find it in first few tries, as EACH video I click on will first show me a two unskippable ads, no matter how short the video is

While the internet may have gotten worse then TV with ads, the internet being on-demand and interactive, and being mostly on computers instead of appliances, means you can skip/bypass 99% of the ads by using adblockers.

I refuse to use the modern web without adblockers, and have a very friendly media usage experience without ads. Every time I listen to radio in the car, or see TV at frieds or parents I'm amazed by the volume of advertisements being hurled at the consumer. In my own environment I never get to see all this crapware.

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