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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by QuinnyPig »

Alupis wrote: post #135
crazygringo wrote: post #124

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Ugh. So it was first reported that Google Domains was being abandoned, but Google Cloud Domains was still just fine. I thought -- exactly, you can count on their paid enterprise cloud services. I looked it up now to reconfirm, and it turns out a few days later it came out that Google Cloud Domains was also being shut down? [1] WTF. OK, well that's idiotic. Maybe I have to take back my parent comment then. That's one…

Google Domains is not being shut down - it's being sold to Squarespace. I would assume Cloud Domains either went with that package, or is being removed as part of the deal. Selling to another company != shut down in my book. Although I'm already in the process of moving domains to another registrar...

So when they get bored and sell their relational databases off to Oracle, what then?

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by rossjudson »

irrational wrote: post #159
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I work for a fortune 100 company. Years ago we looked at all the cloud providers trying to determine who to go with. Google was thrown out on the first day for this very reason. They simply cannot be trusted not to kill their products at the drop of a hat.

That speaks volumes about the quality of decision-making at your fortune 100 company, and about their ability to do due diligence.

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Post by lantry »

pyrophane wrote: post #105

We use GCP at my current company and I've used AWS a lot in the past. Managing IAM users and roles on GCP is much more pleasant than AWS, and if you happen to use Google Workspace for you org, it approaches (as an infra engineer) the sublime. GCP projects are a really intuitive way to isolate resources that you don't want to be able to talk to each other by default. GKE has been very reliable. BigQuery got expensive…

This matches my experience. Google workspace + GCP IAM almost makes it a joy to manage permissions

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by datadrivenangel »

Ameo wrote: post #22

My two cents, GCP has a few excellent gems which are better than pretty much any competing cloud offering: - Cloud Run. Best way to deploy containers hands down. All of the benefits of a serverless/containerized workload with all the ease of a traditional VPS deployment. Extremely cheap (pay $0 for side projects with little traffic). - BigQuery. Very easy to use with immense power without having to deal with the deta…

BigQuery is very pleasant. It just works serverlessly.

Apparently some of the key people behind BQ are now working on MotherDuck, which is a cloud data warehouse version of DuckDB.

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Post by latchkey »

fhoffa wrote: post #122
latchkey wrote: post #112

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> AppEngine today is wildly different to the App Engine I fell in love with 15 years ago. I see that as a good thing, it means they are still working on it.

Have you actually been using it for 15 years? My guess is not, or you would have a different opinion. But that's just a guess

Poor comment and poor guess.

My best friend Jeff started working on Objectify in 2009 after I convinced him to use GAE. I have built two businesses on it. One did $80m in revenue in the first year and I guarantee we couldn’t have done it without GAE.

Now give me back my downvote please.

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Post by rossjudson »

jsnell wrote: post #147
imwillofficial wrote: post #81

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This isn’t my experience. Amazon supports most stuff roughly forever.

Sure, sure. I totally get where you're coming from. By the way, how's the Fire Phone holding up for you these days? I assume it's still working well and powerful enough to do your web searches on a9.com, and read sites like the Amapedia and DPReviews. Do you happen to know how many of the Alexa.com top500 sites it can browse, or do you need to ask on Amazon Askville? But I know it won't be able to play Amazon's hit g…

Possibly the best comment I have read on this topic...like ever. Do Microsoft next!

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by snoman »

rossjudson wrote: post #172
irrational wrote: post #159

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I work for a fortune 100 company. Years ago we looked at all the cloud providers trying to determine who to go with. Google was thrown out on the first day for this very reason. They simply cannot be trusted not to kill their products at the drop of a hat.

That speaks volumes about the quality of decision-making at your fortune 100 company, and about their ability to do due diligence.

No it doesn’t.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by amf12 »

poink wrote: post #164
crazygringo wrote: post #115

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I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

It's not just "free" customer products. See: Pixel Pass being canceled right before it was supposed to pay off with a phone upgrade. Those people paid significant amounts of money. I don't think GCP is going to shut down as a whole, but that doesn't mean I'd trust Google to keep any specific service I might depend on up and running.

> See: Pixel Pass being canceled right before it was supposed to pay off with a phone upgrade

Did you first try to understand what Pixel Pass was? No, it wasn't supposed to "pay off" with a phone upgrade. To get a new phone, users would have had to renew their Pixel Pass subscription. It wasn't - pay monthly for 2 years and get 2 phones: one at the start and end of the 2 years.

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Post by dekhn »

fhoffa wrote: post #109
latchkey wrote: post #57

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> Will GCP be around in 5 years? I honestly am not sure. AppEngine is going on, checks notes, 15 years now.

AppEngine today is wildly different to the App Engine I fell in love with 15 years ago. Since you're checking notes, please check out all the AE service deprecation notes. Disclosure: I worked for Google for ~10 years, and I fought internally many of those deprecation decisions. I did not succeed.

Google making AppEngine in the first place always felt weird to me. It was great for some web developers, but outside that use case, really not so much. But it came with a great collection of side technologies, which got unbundled (Datastore, etc) because there were folks (like me) who wanted to use the side tech but not AE itself (for many, many years you couldn't "import numpy" but people would still say "see? We have a cloud, it's called AppEngine").

Once enough things were unbundled from AE, and containers became popular, it wasn't really clear what AE provided that wasn't better solved by more standard tech.

Often times, Google leadership simply didn't understand what its own engineers and product managers knew. People told me for years "we can't do cloud because the profit margins are too small", and now look: Google is a perenially third-place in Cloud but has committed itself so much they can't even shut it down if they want to.

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

mvdtnz wrote: post #165
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #125

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Yup, hence the "Many things are actually experiments and shouldn't be marketed as more than that" and/or "random little things".

Google very clearly stated in no uncertain terms that Stadia was a real product that they were committed to for the long term. Stating, after the fact, that it was "actually" an "experiment" or a "random little thing" is not just dismissive - it's pure revisionist history.

What folks at google think and what they say publicly aren't the same thing. It's naive to think otherwise. Look to what actually makes sense for them to do and you'll have your answer.

Internal folks knew google would walk away in a few years if it didn't work. Stadia was largely a group of people out of the failed and left behind Daydream (VR) project.

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