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Hand wringing about "placing people in buckets" is one the last things we need to worry about when it comes to dealing with racism and it's effect on victims of racism. Like, "now we are colourblind, hooray! racism is finished!" While ignoring how disadvantaged people who suffered discrimination in the past (and still do) continue to feel the effects of institutionalised racism, regardless of any changes in law.
I know your intentions are noble but the alternative approach promotes the idea that racial groups are very real and matter. It promotes the belief that one "belongs" to a race, that members of a race have a shared interest, etc. It's a mindset that often leads to racism. I grew up in a place where colorblindness was the prevalent philosophy and somehow, racism was much less of a problem than what I've witnessed in t…
Also, I doubt that there is any place on earth that is colourblind and somehow race is not a problem. And no, "nobody speaks about it =/= the problem does not exist. Most countries have some issues with race, are largely homogeneous (sometimes despite spending decades brutally exploiting countries with other races a century or two ago), or have a long-running kerfuffle with some local minority.
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The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…
I can understand the master/slave thing as it does directly come from "slavery" so although I think it's stupid to change git I can see it being an issue. Not being from the US I never realized why the large bedroom in a house was called the master bedroom. Changing blacklist and whitelist to allowlist and denylist is however stupid.
Etymologicaly master comes from magister that also means expert / teacher. This is more apparent in some Latin languages like Spanish (I’m Spanish) where we have words like Maestro meaning teacher.
In Spanish Master copy translates to “Copia Maestra”. Nothing to do with slavery.
Most progressives in the US don’t know anything about this and / or conveniently ignore it.
I mean in a plant with 30,000 employees someone's probably going to say something racist to someone else but it's a question of whether the company tries to stop it which it seemed they did. Tesla press release at the time: https://www.tesla.com/blog/dfehs-misguided-lawsuit
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> But that's not even what "master" means in git. There is no "slave" branch. I think you're trying to cherry-picking debatable examples as strawmen. The central argument was not that some inclusive terms may or may not extend to all applications. The central argument being made in this thread by anti-inclusiveness proponents is that each and every single proposal to use terms that are not racist or bigoted should be…
I'm not cherry picking, your comment is a direct reply to: > The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho.
Sorry, but it's obvious that you are. This discussion is not about Git but about Tesla's history of harassment, racism, and overall bigotry, and the thread you're commenting on is clearly about the usage of inclusive language instead of legacy non-inclusive terms. I feel you're playing dumb and disingenuous to pretend it's suddenly about Git, which is really not cool or contributing positively to the discussion.
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The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…
As a black person, the switch from master to main, is the most condescendingly racist thing that has been widely adopted in tech. It says "black people are too stupid to understand context. We (small group of white people) must protect them against words." Another thing it does, is that it promotes the identification of blacks as slaves when all races have been enslaved (and continue to this day).
Meh
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It may be meaningless to you. But it's not meaningless to other people. Now you can choose not to care about their opinion and be dismissive of their integrity by claiming it's only for social status. But you're never going to hire the best engineers if that's the approach you take. I've worked with some of the very best in the industry and never seen anyone do great things by being intolerant of people.
If you try to bend over backwards to appease the whims of every group of people you'll never accomplish anything. A good engineer realizes this, and prioritizes accordingly. It's a core competency of the job. Not pushing back on master -> main is a sign that an engineer will not make good decisions on the job. Also this has nothing to do with "intolerance" and your framing of it this way is a classic manipulation tac…
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Blacks are the most eager to capitalize the B in Black. Are you calling them racist?
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> if we're saying the sins of the parents should be visited on the children I’d say this is the binary option we routinely fail to make the right choice. > renaming master branches/HDDs to main because of rAciSm Sticking to OP‘s topic its just ridiculous to have such a discussion in Europe because we are supposedly to feel guilty about what other people did to African Americans. Lest for the majority of US slaves wel…
As a brit I didn't know cornwall + ireland were raided for slaves into the 1700s (earlier, with viking Circa 1000 yes, but not after). Could you provide some solid links please? TIA
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It think it comes in waves. There's a phase of progress and real social changes, laws get passed to correct past issues, the media warms up a lot towards minorities etc. Then comes the reaction, as too much visible change happens, opposing groups organize and try to re-anchor their position, will push as hard a possible to undo some of the progress and carve out areas where they'll be able to protect their values. I…
IMO the newest wave of racism stems from the blowback to racist policies like affirmative action and similar. (for example, stipends only gor certain races and such)
That fits my point: there will be cycles of reaction to reactions. If the next move to replace affirmative action has a visible impact on whitish people admission for whatever reason, there will be a reaction. If the next nation wide policies have a deep impact on religious parts of the country, it won't just past and stay that way, etc.