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Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by jbc1 » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 9:57 PM UTC

highwaylights wrote: post #75

What you can do as a consumer is.. not buy new iPhones? I don't mean as like a protest or anything. I mean just don't buy your iPhones new. They don't change much anymore, you can get caught out by this or Antennagate (or any other type of issue you get to encounter as a first mover), and the changes between years are genuinely minimal now. The iPhone came out in 2007. The iPhone 4 came out in 2010. The leap from the…

> but is it really 2.1x the device that the 13 is? Am I the only person that thinks about it this way?

You're not the only person that thinks about things this way, but all of you should probably stop thinking this way.

Unless you'd like to dual wield 2.1 used iPhone Pro Maxes, have exactly $1200, can never get more money, and can never spend it on anything else; the percentage of price one option is of the price of the other option is irrelevant.

What matters is what you would be giving up by spending the extra $750.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by ProfessorLayton » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 10:22 PM UTC

zamadatix wrote: post #153

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #105

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In reality the only upgrade from the 14 Pro Max to this one is 3x to 5x zoom and USB-C. And while I absolutely love USB-C, I do have a whole collection of lightning cables. Something in my way of using my iPhone(s) make pin 4 wear out insanely fast. Maybe it's because I carry it with me in the shower / hot tub. Not sure how the USB-C variant deals with the pitting. The button on the side and the titanium are a change…

I'll never be able to view "can flip my locked phone to silent mode while it's in my pocket" as anything but a design flaw in the first place. IMO, the greatest improvement to this area is finally being able to disable that physical action in software.

The old switch could be disabled in software under accessibility settings, and silent mode can even be bound to a Shortcut!

I have a 15 Pro, and while I like the new action button, I still do miss the old switch. There's no reason it couldn't have been added as an addition rather than a replacement.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by nottorp » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 10:23 PM UTC

bradly wrote: post #120

nottorp wrote: post #117

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The lack of usability outside California temperature ranges, for one?

Apple supports the published specs of an operating temp between 32° to 95° F (0° to 35° C). Your comment implying they don't test outside dust free "California temperatures" is simply not true.

I was one of the idiots who bought a butterfly keyboard macbook pro. Said keyboard started breaking within 2 weeks - i use the laptop on an open balcony. And it was the second iteration where they claimed they added extra sealing.

I've personally witnessed various iphones - mine and others' shutting down within your 0 to 35. Maybe when it's hot it's hotter inside, but it shut down o me in a car where it was definitely over 0 C, maybe 5-10. You'd think the temp inside the phone would be even higher than that.

So please stop explaining to me what's written on the phone or laptop. I've personally seen it isn't true.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by pmarreck » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 11:37 PM UTC

trogdor wrote: post #136

pmarreck wrote: post #118

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> The improvements in camera, screen brightness, colors and many others strongly disagree with such claims. I've owned an X, a 12, a 13 (after the 12 got water damage), and have ordered the 15 (but not received it yet). With the caveat of not having used the 14 or 15 (but just looking at the specs on paper), I would have to agree with the comment you're responding to that all the changes since the X have essentially…

Why can you not stand Face ID? I love it. For me, it works pretty much 100% of the time, including situations where Touch ID would be inconvenient, like when my phone or hands are wet. (I go kayaking almost every day.)

I guess when I wear sunglasses, or my CPAP, or am simply not in a position to look directly at the screen dead-on (such as when driving in the car when it's on its mount, or when I'm packing groceries and need to pay), or when I just don't want to look like a goofball staring dead-on at my phone screen, TouchID worked 100% of the time and was minimally inconvenient.

If I went kayaking every day, or just generally had wet hands a lot of the time, I could see how that could get annoying (although hand towels exist...). I wear my CPAP every night though, and didn't always feel like taking it off just to unlock my phone.

FYI, when Apple made FaceID tolerate face masks during the pandemic (probably for the same reasons it was annoying with a CPAP), they actually made it less secure (because there is no circumstance under which giving less information but expecting the same level of security will hold)

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by Eldandan » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 11:53 PM UTC

gdubs wrote: post #78

nerdjon wrote: post #55

So I have the iPhone 15 Pro Max. I have for sure had a few times that it got really hot, particularly when I was restoring it and it was doing a lot of background tasks. BUT so has every other single iPhone I have had since at least the X but I am pretty sure going farther back. There were always moments that it got hot and I remember it would always happen when I was first setting it up. For me at least I don't thin…

I have a FineWoven case on my 15 Pro Max and, just adding to the anecdata here, have not had a single thermal issue. The only time it warmed up was during the initial data transfer. I'm pushing the phone with a lot of cinematic video recording, etc – remarkably cool. I watched this story blossom out of a few social accounts I had to mute because it started to feel like they really wanted to get likes on 'iPhone 15 Pr…

Same here. 15 pro max and all is smooth sailing. Worst I had it was tethered to a laptop running zoom and a pc running another zoom with the phone charging. It had to stop charging at 80% for thermal protection.

When the biggest complaints about a device are like this I feel good about the purchase.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by oflannabhra » Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 11:59 PM UTC

AlanYx wrote: post #63

oflannabhra wrote: post #44

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The amount of titanium in the iPhone is about a 1-2mm band around the outside. The inner chassis is still aluminum, and they are diffusion bonded together. While that Ti is at the primary thermal boundary for the metals in the phone, I would guess (judging from experience with both stainless steel and titanium banded phones) that most heat escapes through the glass front and back of the phone, even though they have p…

>...most heat escapes through the glass front and back of the phone, even though they have poor conductivity. Some does, but given glass' very poor thermal conductivity (1.38 W/(m·K)), heat dissipation by the band around the outside is probably a very significant factor in total heat dissipation.

Right, but the surface area of the glass and the proximity to the heat source more than make up for this. Just hold a phone under load and it’ll be obvious.

I’m sure Apple has much more in depth studies of the thermal characteristics of their product than I can armchair analyze, though.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by jinushaun » Sat, Sep 30, 2023, 12:05 AM UTC

hanche wrote: post #165

reddit_clone wrote: post #163

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When I am wearing a mask (for health reasons) it won't unlock. I too miss the finger print unlocking.

But fingerprint unlocking didn’t work with wet fingers, like outside on a rainy day. I find that face unlocking fails less often than fingerprint unlocking ever did. (Though outside on a sunny day can be challenging.)

That’s why I want both

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by zamadatix » Sat, Sep 30, 2023, 2:59 AM UTC

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #172

zamadatix wrote: post #153

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I'll never be able to view "can flip my locked phone to silent mode while it's in my pocket" as anything but a design flaw in the first place. IMO, the greatest improvement to this area is finally being able to disable that physical action in software.

The old switch could be disabled in software under accessibility settings, and silent mode can even be bound to a Shortcut! I have a 15 Pro, and while I like the new action button, I still do miss the old switch. There's no reason it couldn't have been added as an addition rather than a replacement.

I've never liked the accessibility way as I don't want the AssistiveTouch menu triggers either, nor do I want to toggle accessibility on and off to work around that nested problem. I just want my phone to do nothing (except the dual side long press power off fallback since there is no way around that need) when locked, not do a bunch of things to override what it's doing when unlocked.

I feel like they half assed the button implementation though. I like it in that I can at least now turn it off but that really had nothing to do with the physical approach. The great part about it being a switch means it could actually have that option to operate as that "does nothing when locked but is still a useful action button" concept but that's not actually implemented, it still either does something all the time or doesn't do anything. That's probably asking for too much customizability for the way Apple's design mindset works though.

I guess could see it still being just a switch too, where you can configure it to do something on toggle rather than read the raw state all the time, but again - probably asking too much of the way Apple likes to design things for "one size fits all" configuration options.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by KolenCh » Sat, Sep 30, 2023, 3:04 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #16

fh9302 wrote: post #3

GSMArena bought two iPhone 15 Pro Max from different retailers to test the overheating issue and they were unable to replicate it. > Lastly, we did read reports of overheating iPhones, some during fast charging. For this review, we used two iPhone 15 Pro Max units, obtained from different retailers, and neither of those became unbearably hot even after an hour of GPU stress testing. Warm, rather unpleasantly (but not…

> GSMArena bought two iPhone 15 Pro Max from different retailers to test the overheating issue and they were unable to replicate it. Did anyone manage to "replicate" the explosion of a Galaxy Note 7 under controlled usage? Assuming no one did, what conclusion wiuld we draw from s failure to replicate on n=2?

If you have an overheated phone as a rare event then you will at worst wasted a few hours of your life, if you have an exploding phone as a rare event then you will have your remaining of your life wasted.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by gls2ro » Sat, Sep 30, 2023, 4:46 AM UTC

saurik wrote: post #124

concinds wrote: post #87

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There's one way to stop it: online culture must shift toward blaming early adopters for not waiting, instead of blaming companies for bad QA. TotalBiscuit pushed that for game preorders, and it worked, preorders declined. Change always starts from below, and idle BigCorp criticism has no effect if people still give their money blindly.

I mean... I absolutely do think early adopters of stuff are ridiculous and that the only reason I hop into bleeding edge tech is if I need or want to target it as a developer; and yet, I also think that a lot of these issues are ridiculous and in many cases (not sure about this current one, to be clear; but I haven't heard the cause yet) predictable (to the people who came up with / added it, not necessarily those of…

> I absolutely do think early adopters of stuff are ridiculous

If there are no early adopters there are no good products.

Imagine a company launching a new product, no customer buying it and then they iterate 4 generations to make it better without any real usage feedback and still with no customers.