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Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by supportlocal4h »

slashdev wrote: post #167
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if someone knows how to solve this, I'd be glad to hear about it! With the risk of opening a can of worms, yes, get the pirated cracked versions of the game. You already own the legitimate copy so it's fair. Not your fault the DRM is not letting you play the games you paid for and own legitimetly. At least that's how I see things. Otherwise consider re-purchasing the DRM-free versions of the games on platforms like…

And while you’re doing that, get a few more titles from the same publisher and don’t pay for them. Vote with your wallet that this is not acceptable behavior. That’s also fair in my opinion. You ought to be compensated for your trouble and risk.

For young impressionable readers, this is just a note that the parent comment is one person's opinion. There are opposing opinions here and throughout society.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by oliverkiss »

carlosrg wrote: post #161

GNOME applications look so... mobile. Large controls, large title bars that lack maximize/minimize, simplistic layouts. It might be good for this kind of frontend apps but I can't see software like Krita or KDEnlive being done for GTK4/GNOME as of today (for reference: https://kdenlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/271174170_10... )

A GNOME version of KDEnlive might look similar to Final Cut (https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/final-cut-pro/ver92bd1...).

GNOME applications are pretty simple and there's no software like Krita and KDEnlive, but I don't think that GNOME HIG is the limitation for that.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by pqb »

carlosrg wrote: post #161

GNOME applications look so... mobile. Large controls, large title bars that lack maximize/minimize, simplistic layouts. It might be good for this kind of frontend apps but I can't see software like Krita or KDEnlive being done for GTK4/GNOME as of today (for reference: https://kdenlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/271174170_10... )

I like GNOME because of its design choices in 3.x+. I really appreciate the aforementioned large controls, title bars (often integrated as toolbar menus) and resignation of menus in favour of dedicated pop-overs. IMHO it is a step forward in providing simpler UI, but yes - it has some drawbacks too.

Ironically, I see the designers of macOS built-in applications (e.g. Finder.app or System Settings.app) are following their GNOME counterparts rather than the other way around. Since Maverick, Apple has lagged behind in terms of UI innovation and it is the GNOME designers, who are pushing forward with new ideas. The addition of a header bar in Finder.app and Nautilus made them much more usable for me [0] [1]. The same can be said for System Settings.app [2], which now follows the design and layout of the GNOME Control Center. GNOME has been a copycat for many years, its UI was inspired by macOS/iOS, but now the roles are reversed.

The missing piece of the puzzle is searchability, which GNOME 3.x+ lacks and which GNOME excelled at in the days of Unity DE. Hopefully GNOME 40+ will bring some improvements in this area.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by nerdjon »

marinhero wrote: post #44

I only use Windows because of gaming purposes. Is there anything around the internet that can show benchmarks for something like Bottles vs Proton vs Windows? WSL works well but I’d personally want to stay stick to native and not dual boot.

I have not done extensive testing and the testing I have done is only on the Steam Deck.

I found that when comparing a normal Windows 10 installation to SteamOS, SteamOS performed better (slightly more consistent FPS and better battery).

When I switched to the LTS version of Windows 10 (which doesn't have a lot of the bloat in it and you don't run the risk of screwing things up by running a debloat tool) I got slightly better performance on Windows than I did on SteamOS.

This is also not on a higher end PC. I choose to keep my gaming PC windows right now just to not deal with lower performance, I paid a lot for this computer since I value performance on it.

I will say however that I am finding myself using Windows on my Steam Deck more often. Like right now I am replaying through the Kingdom Hearts series. It feels like jumping through hoops to get that to work on SteamOS where on Windows I just installed the Heroic Game Launcher (alternate app for epic games), installed it and it just works.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by 29athrowaway »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #117
29athrowaway wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Windows, your specs will make most of the difference in benchmarks. When running on wine, we could say that how you are running a game can have as much on performance impact as your specs. Identifying the differences between setups is hard.

Specifically which part of "record the variables" do you not understand? The amount of variables simply has no impact on the difficulty of running a benchmark. The amount of variables will impact the relevance or use value of the benchmark, but interpretation and application is the user's problem. The amount of variables has zero impact on the process of performing or recording the benchmark, and this matters because…

It is not impossible, but it is easier said than done.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by catboybotnet »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #164
carlosrg wrote: post #161

GNOME applications look so... mobile. Large controls, large title bars that lack maximize/minimize, simplistic layouts. It might be good for this kind of frontend apps but I can't see software like Krita or KDEnlive being done for GTK4/GNOME as of today (for reference: https://kdenlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/271174170_10... )

16x16 icons used to be large on 640x480 screens. Microscopic controls is not how GUIs were originally intended to look.

That may be the case, but microscopic controls are how some of us want our GUIs to look. Using Windows 7 with the classic theme on a 1920x1080 display was near perfection. Even for Aero, I'd have my toolbar set to small icons and CTRL+MW_DOWN on the desktop to shrink my icons. The closest I can get now is to up my display resolution to offset the giant bars that take up more of my screenspace than they need to. Not having the option really sucks.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by doublerabbit »

neurostimulant wrote: post #170
doublerabbit wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same prophecy I follow for movies. I buy movies second hand for dirt cheap, throw it in a cd wallet and toss that behind the shelf.

If you buy it secondhand, the original creator won't profit from the sale, right? If the intend is to justify your piracy, don't you need to buy a new copy instead of a secondhand one?

The sale has already been made by the person who bought it originally.

My moral justification is based on owning the media. If I don't own the media I'm downloading, I feel morally disgusted.

If I own the media and have sourced it though legal means say retailer, second hand store. What is the difference between downloading or ripping the medium?

Downloading saves me the hassle. However, I won't download a blu-ray version if I only own a DVD version. It has to be like for like.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by slashdev »

supportlocal4h wrote: post #171
slashdev wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And while you’re doing that, get a few more titles from the same publisher and don’t pay for them. Vote with your wallet that this is not acceptable behavior. That’s also fair in my opinion. You ought to be compensated for your trouble and risk.

For young impressionable readers, this is just a note that the parent comment is one person's opinion. There are opposing opinions here and throughout society.

I think I made it clear that it’s my opinion, when I used the words “in my opinion”.

Your comment is a passive aggressive way of saying you disagree. I expect some people will disagree.

I’m one of those dangerous people not afraid to break rules, any rules, if it’s my judgement that the breaking the rule will lead to the better outcome for all involved. A lot of people don’t live that way and can’t fathom that kind of attitude. I don’t always make the right judgment call, but I’m not going to shirk the responsibility of making a judgment call, nor be afraid of making it. I’m willing to take responsibility for the consequences of my actions.

If you follow all the rules blindly, you are still a child.

Re: Bottles – Easily run Windows software on Linux

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Post by rationalist »

coconut08 wrote: post #78
mrpippy wrote: post #10

Basically a free clone of CrossOver, which has used “bottles” to refer to separate Wine prefixes for 20 years. (disclaimer: I work for CodeWeavers)

Wow that is actually super rude. I paid 500 dollars for crossover and tried to use it and found that it lacked features that bottles offered. To flippantly call it a clone and imply that it doesn't offer anything special is really unnecessary. (disclaimer: I don't work for CodeWeavers)

Clones can develop their own features and go their own way. I don't think calling something a clone is necessarily rude.

At some point it will be significantly different that it probably shouldn't be called a clone though, but if it currently has the same name as a feature in a pre-existing, popular software, "clone" seems like the right word.

I imagine whomever built "bottles" (the clone, not the Crossover feature), probably used code, or at least was inspired by code, that CodeWeavers upstreamed to Wine.

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