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Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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I think the idea is that you carry your tablet with you, then plug it into a dock with a keyboard/mouse when you are at a desk.

This notion gets a lot of play but I'm not buying it -- at least until several years down the road. Of course there are people for whom tablets are perfect -- inventory, front-line customer service, sales, etc -- however there are many where it is of questionable value. A major issue at many corporations is asset management, with laptop theft or loss being a massive problem. Now take all of those desktops and replace…

I think possibly the corporation doesn't supply them. Employees simply provide their own hardware in the same way they buy their own cars.

The difficulty here is of course with security etc, but most of the corporate apps are probably web based and hidden behind a firewall anyway and none of the data is cached on the users device.

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Off topic, but did you wait 8 years upgrading from ME to Vista?

His timeline was really confusing. HN probably stripped out the newlines he used. 3.1 = buy 95 = skip 98 = buy ME = skip XP = buy Vista = skip 7 = buy He skipped ME. The "every other version" rule left him on 3.1 while the rest of the world was on 95, though. Seems like a pretty broken rule...

Yeah, it ate the newlines and I kind of posted in a hurry... oopsy.

Thing was I didn't have a computer capable of running Win95 at the time, and even then convincing my parents to drop $100 on that plus the requisite hardware upgrade was pretty tricky.

Then this and that happened, we got the new computer with 95, and then upgraded it to 98. Ah, those were the days :)

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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I kind of noticed this as an unwritten rule, instead of a joke. Every other release of windows seems to have its fair share of weirdness which is corrected with the release immediately superseding it. My path, which I'm sure matches a great deal of others is: 3.1 = buy 95 = skip 98 = buy ME = skip XP = buy Vista = skip 7 = buy Extrapoloating, 8 will be a "skip". I hope this will be the exception.. I kind of like what…

It's a nitpick, but you left out WIN2k, which would break your pattern... It was actually a very solid OS from my experience.

So I've heard- but my thoughts at the time (as a mostly ignorant kid) were than Win2k was too business focused for gaming. Keep in mind, I didn't even have internet access until 1999!

Went straight from 98 to XP, buying ME and then taking it back after finding out that it broke EVERYTHING.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Another relevant point: antitrust oversight of Microsoft started in 1998 and ended 12 May 2011, and Microsoft clearly doesn't have a monopoly in PCs anymore. Imagine a world in which Apple was taken to court for including Mobile Safari on the iPhone, with talk of huge fines and company breakups. Consider having to make strategic decisions with those threats hanging over your head. Would we get Siri? Maybe adding Remi…

Yes, this point is greatly underappreciated. Despite the widespread perception that the antitrust investigation was ineffective, if you trace back to the beginnings of Microsoft's stagnation, you will find it happens exactly when they started getting sued for antitrust in the US and Europe, and similarly so too did their innovation stall. They kept on producing cool stuff out of their research labs but nearly none of…

> if you trace back to the beginnings of Microsoft's stagnation, you will find it happens exactly when they started getting sued for antitrust in the US and Europe, and similarly so too did their innovation stall.

Or, when they managed to effectively kill Netscape and BeOS, having essentially zero competition.

> They kept on producing cool stuff out of their research labs but nearly none of it ever made it out.

The stuff out of their research labs never made it out before that either.

> Regulatory concerns enormously biased them towards playing it safe, just doing incremental improvements and milking their cash cow instead of risking aggressively entering new markets and getting hauled into court for it.

Huh? Was there any point in time after, say, 1987, when they did not play it safe? what does regulation have to do with it?

> Even the rise of OSX can be traced to it as MS has been forced to license a great deal of technology (exchange, office formats, etc) to its most hated competitors under FRAND type terms.

Samba was bundled with OS/X before MS was forced to open the protocol (which was actually extended from an older Digital protocol). The only other protocol which might have been at all relevant is ActiveSync, but it wasn't a factor in the rise of OS/X. It might have contributed to the iPhone, but I'm not sure of that either.

> So its kind of interesting that regulation may actually have been effective, just very slow to work, and also it is unclear whether it was in the ultimate interests of consumers or not (eg: years of stalled innovation that we are only now catching up on).

Excuse me for the question; in all seriousness - are you a Microsoft employee?

Are you seriously claiming that Microsoft's failure to and delay in implement standards for web and office documents is somehow related to regulation? Because from where I'm standing, it sure looks like "it's good to be the king, we don't need to do anything" stalling.

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The first thing a power user will do is to go to the old-desktop and stay there, basically not interacting with metro at all. There is no point, it's about as useful as the winkey+tab is on Vista/W7. I don't know if you're trying to troll or you're just incredibly short-sighted, but I'll bite. Windows 8 is clearly designed as a hybrid OS, in the same vein that Ubuntu on Android is, even if Microsoft's marketing team…

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen unless we will see some x86 tablets. WOA will have Metro-style apps only. And I doubt we'll ever see x86 tablets

Just an FYI Intel has announced new chips and future strategy for the mobile market. We will definitely see x86 tablets. AMD wants in as well.

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Seems like a decent release. I am unable to find search in Store. Anyone else know a way to search in store?

If you begin a search like you would for an app on the Start screen, or use the system wide search from the charms bar, you can select 'Store' from directly below the search box. The store needs a LOT of work.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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post #162

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I kind of noticed this as an unwritten rule, instead of a joke. Every other release of windows seems to have its fair share of weirdness which is corrected with the release immediately superseding it. My path, which I'm sure matches a great deal of others is: 3.1 = buy 95 = skip 98 = buy ME = skip XP = buy Vista = skip 7 = buy Extrapoloating, 8 will be a "skip". I hope this will be the exception.. I kind of like what…

It's a nitpick, but you left out WIN2k, which would break your pattern... It was actually a very solid OS from my experience.

Well, he has also skipped NT 3.1, 3.5 and 4. The various versions branded as NT, plus Win2k, were generally considered non-consumer, though Win2k was a marginal case.

Re: Windows 8 Consumer Preview released.

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Your theory is ridiculous. The Xbox 360 was a major success. The Zune failed because people didn't like it. Not because it's a Microsoft product. Same goes for Windows Phone 7, it is failing because people don't like it. Now whether it's a better product or not is a subjective debate that isn't worth having, IMHO (better for whom?) But to say that they failed because of the Microsoft stigma is absurd.

> Same goes for Windows Phone 7, it is failing because people don't like it. Really? How do you know this? Have you gone door to door asking people? You couldn't be wronger. In fact, it is ahead of Android. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/wp7-ahead-of-android-and-... http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Phone-Leads-in-Custom... Windows phones have some of the best ratings on carrier websites and Amazon. There is…

> There is indeed a Microsoft stigma, and MS is failing at shaking it. When have you seen a commercial for the HTC Titan on TV? It's all iPhones and Android out there except for an inkling of ads for the Nokia 710

Microsoft's initial marketing spend on WP7 was vast; nearly 500m in three months (for comparison, that's about 100m less than Apple's _entire_ annual marketing spend). It didn't appear to do much good.

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