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Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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In terms of density, San Diego is like a stretched out San Francisco. The best places to live are along the coastline and an ocean view is very expensive. My tiny condo, with a view, has a higher cost per sq. foot than $3m victorians in San Francisco. But you're right, at this point, I'd still rather be in SD than SF.

Are you downtown? I can't think of any tiny condo that costs that much anywhere else.

$1,762 per sqft.

No, I'm at the beach.

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> What's wrong with your kids being LGBT? Why wouldn't you support that? There is nothing wrong with your kids being LGBT. I believe you are misunderstanding HDThoreaun. They are talking about why they wouldn't want to live in a red state. Read their comment again with that context in mind. It says if they were living in a red state they couldn't tell their LGTB child that they support the child. Presumably because H…

You are supremely out of tough if you think red states preclude you from being vocally proud of your kids. Most conservatives got over the lgbt thing decades ago. Dont give voice to the extremeists of either party as if they are the norm.

> You are supremely out of tough if you think red states preclude you from being vocally proud of your kids.

Of course you can be vocally proud of said kid. But are you able to "in good faith tell my lgbt child that I support them". Supporting someone is not just words. But perhaps living in a place where they are not handicapped by laws.

> Dont give voice to the extremeists of either party as if they are the norm.

Sure. What about the extremists who are writing the law in those red states? Can I be concerned about those?

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It's booming in the sense that wealthy people are buying up property. That isn't the same as being a new hub for a lot of business creation and frankly haven't seen a lot of evidence established companies are eager to make it into a new hub or that there's a bunch of growing startups there with real traction.

Miami is the fastest growing tech hub in America [1]. Citadel is moving to Miami from Chicago and Guggenheim is about to do the same. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/12/silicon...

The Chicago to Miami move is primarily an income tax avoidance scheme common in the HFT industry within Illinois, especially after the state instituted a 5% income tax after the IL budget crisis in 2017-18.

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But downtown SF has always been like a scene out of "Night of the Comet" compared to NY.

Look, I'm not gonna argue with you that NYC has always been better than SF (it obviously has), but post-pandemic now the difference is even more stark. NYC's economy is much more diverse than SF's, and also has much more housing within city limits, to the point that it hasn't suffered nearly as much from the pandemic, and indeed right now is booming whereas SF is withering.

Ehn, SF is returning to its pre-2010 roots (heck, even the population in SF has fallen to the same level as it was in the 2000s).

The entire sofrware+hardware industry before the 2010s was south of Redwood Shores and the biotech industry was always situated in northern San Mateo County. Before the 2010s, SF was primarily a hub for the Northern California legal+investment banking industries, both of which cratered during the GFC.

There's a reason why "FiDi" is called that - SF used to be the Wall Street of the West until the GFC, and most private sector white collar jobs in the city back then were legal and finance related.

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San Diego perhaps?

+1 for San Diego. It's small enough you can be familiar with most of the neighborhoods and still big enough there's always an interesting event or new restaurant to check out. Apple has expansion plans in the region. The military/larger federal government presence is sort of nice, I sense that plus the large tourism numbers helps keep SD away from the extreme end of California politics. The weather is a huge plus, an…

> I disagree that the coastline is the only "nice" place to get a house

Maybe it is just me, but if I'm going to move to a beach city, I'd want to live at the beach.

> it all seems a little more tame to me than the same issues in LA/SF/Seattle.

It is just more spread out. The police are a lot more on top of pushing the homeless around to different parts of town.

Here at the beach, the parking lots will get a few people living in their cars/vans/whatever, then it'll get more as word gets out... then all the sudden, the police will come in and hand out tickets. Over night, they will all be gone.

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>Personal politics, IMO, is not a good reason to avoid living in certain areas. I'm a liberal-leaning moderate but many of my favorite people (friends and family) are conservative, and many of my hobbies tend to be populated mainly by the conservative demographic. This is a comment that originates in privilege. The concern for many people is not simply that they would have to be friends with conservative people. The…

> places like Kansas City because local abortion laws rule out certain medical procedures that could save the mother's life What? The headline of the article you linked literally says: > Missouri, Kansas hospitals that denied emergency abortion broke the law Also from the article you linked: > But federal law, which requires doctors to treat patients in emergency situations, trumps those state laws > In Kansas, when…

What federal investigators say after the fact doesn't change what happened in the moment. The hospital refused the treatment during a medical emergency. The article also quotes a hospital spokesperson who sticks by their behavior suggesting they will do this again in the future.

At the very least, doctors need to think about these issue during medical emergencies in many red states in ways that they don't have to in blue states. I personally don't want my doctor to have to consult legal counsel before giving me the treatment the doctor knows I need.

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Personal politics, IMO, is not a good reason to avoid living in certain areas. I'm a liberal-leaning moderate but many of my favorite people (friends and family) are conservative, and many of my hobbies tend to be populated mainly by the conservative demographic. You'll always find people here and there who won't give you the time of day if you're not on Team Blue or Team Red, but my take on it is, if I can't make fr…

The thing is that personal politics don't end up being a personal thing because they result in real policies that guide real material outcomes. At this point saying one is uninterested in living in a red state could be about party politics, but it also could just as much about not being inclined to subject onesself to starkly higher risks of being shot and killed (the outcome of someone's personal politics). eg. http…

The latest CDC Homicide Mortality by State numbers show neither Florida nor Texas even in the top 20:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality...

Although many of the highest homicide states are in the South, such as Mississippi and Alabama, many are not, such as New Mexico and Illinois.

Region-wise, the contention "the region the Big Apple comprises most of is far and away the safest part of the U.S. mainland when it comes to gun violence" is not supported by the data. Taking the latest FBA violent crimes (2016 is the latest I could find online broken down by Metropolitan Statistical Area) homicide rates per 100,000 inhabitants:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

The safest MSAs in America, tied with zero homicides in 2016, are:

Albany, OR M.S.A. Bangor, ME M.S.A. Casper, WY M.S.A. Columbus, IN M.S.A. Dalton, GA M.S.A. Danville, IL M.S.A. Iowa City, IA M.S.A. Lewiston-Auburn, ME M.S.A. Missoula, MT M.S.A. Ocean City, NJ M.S.A. Oshkosh-Neenah, WI M.S.A. Rochester, MN M.S.A. St. George, UT M.S.A.

These are all relatively small, here are some larger MSAs with lower homicide rates than New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA M.S.A.:

Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH M.S.A. Gainesville, FL M.S.A. Midland, TX M.S.A. Santa Fe, NM M.S.A. Urban Honolulu, HI M.S.A. Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR M.S.A College Station-Bryan, TX M.S.A. Fargo, ND-MN M.S.A. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI M.S.A. Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH M.S.A. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA M.S.A. El Paso, TX M.S.A. Naples-Immokalee-Marco Island, FL M.S.A. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA M.S.A. San Diego-Carlsbad, CA M.S.A. Deltona-Daytona Beach-Ormond Beach, FL M.S.A.

Thus the contention of "the Big Apple comprises most of is far and away the safest part of the U.S. mainland when it comes to gun violence" does not appear supported by the data.

(EDIT: The most violent top 20 MSAs in the USA belie the notion of homicidal violence as being associated with a particular political party, on either side; it is a pan-American issue: Guayama, Puerto Rico M.S.A. San Juan-Carolina-Caguas, Puerto Rico M.S.A. Ponce, Puerto Rico M.S.A. Fairbanks, AK M.S.A. Detroit-Dearborn-Livonia, MI M.D. New Orleans-Metairie, LA M.S.A. Memphis, TN-MS-AR M.S.A. Mayaguez, Puerto Rico M.S.A. Mobile, AL M.S.A. Philadelphia, PA M.D. Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD M.S.A. Savannah, GA M.S.A. Auburn-Opelika, AL M.S.A Flint, MI M.S.A. Hammond, LA M.S.A. Salinas, CA M.S.A. Chicago-Naperville-Arlington Heights, IL M.D. Albany, GA M.S.A. Montgomery, AL M.S.A. Shreveport-Bossier City, LA M.S.A.)

Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Mass shootings aren't correlated with poverty. Guns are expensive. Most mass shooters are disaffected folks in the "middle class" who have money to acquire weapons (or access to weapons via relatives) and time to spend immersing themselves in online right-wing cesspits. Actual poor people are too busy trying to grind and survive.

The most violent cities in America are all blue cities. https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-viol...

Most cities are blue cities

Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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I know it’s not as easy as it looks to convert office space into residential but I wonder if there’s an opportunity for better schools.

The UC system is at its limits for admissions and UCSF doesn’t have an undergraduate program. I wonder what it would take to covert some large section of downtown into a UC. Could revitalize the businesses that support the office buildings. Housing would be a problem but with BART and light rail access it seems like that could be addressed (dorms in West Oakland could be one stop on Bart away)

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Most cities don't seem to be having the same problem (it's almost uniquely SF that has this problem). NYC for example is booming.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2022/06/16/which-m... I haven't scrutinized this heavily, but, at a glance, it appears that the best recovery for "Work Trips" is still down 13.2%, New York is down 26%, and the worst, SF, is down 32.7%. In no way do I see these numbers as booming - they all make me question how the cities are going to balance their books as commercial real estate gets devalued and undermines…

Because of prop 13 how much does the value of commercial real estate effect taxation?
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