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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by afavour »

Moto7451 wrote: post #163
foobarian wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's clear what happens next: 1. GM cars suddenly sell for $2-3k less than competition 2. Competition scrambles to catch up, implements similar shenanigans to monetize the car computer 3. No more unrestricted CarPlay

My understanding is that CarPlay costs nothing other than implementation costs for car makers and head unit makers. Do you hav proof otherwise? This cost delta seems unlikely based just on CarPlay and Android Auto.

The OP is suggesting that the data/subscription revenue from GM’s NotCarplay system will allow them to sell the car at a relative loss.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by QuarterReptile »

grepfru_it wrote: post #151
nozzlegear wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your 2023 chevy bolt euv is already streaming all of your driving parameters to GM via onstar. Is it? I’ve already turned off the Chevrolet Smart Driver or whatever it’s called, I know about that one sending data back to GM. And I canceled OnStar as soon as I purchased the vehicle, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if it’s still siphoning data anyway. Still, the situation would get worse for me because at least…

yes it is, i am intimately aware of that project :) onstar is always connected to the car, you cannot disable it.

What happens if you disconnect the antenna? I recognize that they could be made integral to some other components, but at least in phones where I've removed radios and cameras, that has never been the case.

Do the cars have some sort of spite-brick functionality built in if the cars can't phone home? This is purely curiosity; I doubt that I would ever buy a GM car.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by banana_giraffe »

nerdjon wrote: post #165
banana_giraffe wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related, I suppose, but indirectly. From elsewhere: > GM said it expects its in-car subscription services to generate nearly $2 billion in revenue this year and will reach as high as $25 billion by the end of the decade I assume they view Carplay/Android Auto as a barrier to their subscription plans. Why would I pay for Map Updates, or Sirius subscription or whatever if I can just plug my phone in?

That number seems insanely high, are people really going to pay for the privilege of getting maps when they can get them for free on their phone? I would think a lot of people would just get a phone holder for their car, or just choose another car. I mean GPS's charging for map updates hasn't been mainstream for 10ish years?

I agree with you, I honestly don't know what they expect people to pay for:

> Alan Wexler [...] indicated that consumers were willing to pay up to $135 per month on services for their vehicles

I'm sure they're working at this backwards, in that there's this bucket of money sitting there, and how to charge $135/mo to get at it.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by jfengel »

gwbas1c wrote: post #160

> We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us ... aiming for $20 billion to $25 I really, really do not want a subscription. My Teslas' subscription appears to be at cost; I doubt Tesla is making billions off of subscription fees for maps. But, even though Tesla's infotainment system is a lot more slick than Android Auto, I must admit that at times I'd rather use that. I still use Youtube Music,…

Could you use Bluetooth to play YouTube music?

It sounds like it wouldn't be a great experience, since YouTube probably has features that Bluetooth doesn't support. But does it at least solve the main part of the problem, or does that somehow not work?

(I have a podcast app that I sometimes play through Bluetooth when I can't connect via Android Auto. The Bluetooth version is less good, but it does let me listen even when my cable is flaky.)

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kiawe_fire »

nashashmi wrote: post #156
kiawe_fire wrote: post #150

Well this sucks. I bought a Chevy Blazer last year, and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Great balance of design, gas mileage, comfort, etc. I was definitely planning to make my next car the EV version of this. Part of that package is flawless CarPlay integration. It’s simplified the music and navigation experience more than I ever thought possible. The only reason I wouldn’t demand it on my next car is if somethin…

I think the data collection part is a surmise from the author.

Thank you. Re-reading it, I’m sure you’re correct.

> GM would benefit from focusing engineers and investment on one approach to more tightly connecting in-vehicle infotainment and navigation with features such as assisted driving, Edward Kummer, GM's chief digital officer, and Mike Himche, executive director of digital cockpit experience, said in an interview.

This is the actual reasoning provided by GM sources in the article. I jumped the gun.

I can very much sympathize with the desire to concentrate engineering efforts, and I’m sure there are things they would love to spend time on that would be eclipsed or ignored if the user lives in CarPlay or Android Auto.

But this is concentrating resources in the wrong direction, for the wrong reasons, with little useful gain.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by MBCook »

mint2 wrote: post #159
rblatz wrote: post #143

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Ah yes pissing off your customers because you think they’ll not just accept a worse experience, they’ll actually pay more for it. It’s a bold strategy.

GM is chasing the United airlines and Ryan air business model. United expects customers to be grateful if they get involuntarily rescheduled to arrive a day and a half after the original arrival time, with not so much as a free snack ticket to compensate e even when the flight delay is of their causing, not weather, that made the original connection impossible.

Well CarPlay (and Android Auto) do cut off revenue.

I’ll never buy the satellite radio plan for my car to stream music. Why would I? My phone already provides a cell connection.

I’ll never buy the car cell plan to stream Spotify. Why would I? My phone does that already.

I never bought the $200+ per year map updates for my last car. Why would I? I had Apple Maps on CarPlay and it updates for free.

In many ways this seems like trying to go back to 2006 when cars had some subscription stuff (maps, satellite radio) but consumers had no other choice besides going without.

Today we have another choice. Use our cell phones. And they’re often superior experiences.

This will be reversed after much shareholder pain.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by saagarjha »

foobarian wrote: post #116
nozzlegear wrote: post #69

> GM’s move to restrict access to CarPlay and Android Auto […] will help the automaker capture more data on its customers’ driving, listening, and charging habits. It could also help inform future subscription products, as automakers across the board are seeking to generate more revenue beyond just selling cars. Yeah no thanks. I have a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV that I absolutely love, but I will not be buying another GM v…

It's clear what happens next: 1. GM cars suddenly sell for $2-3k less than competition 2. Competition scrambles to catch up, implements similar shenanigans to monetize the car computer 3. No more unrestricted CarPlay

Chevy Bolt is already cheaper than most of their competitors.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by hexane360 »

mikestew wrote: post #157
DeRock wrote: post #98

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It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

GM will absolutely lose this battle. They will, but not by standing firm. No, first will come the backlash, then GM will "listen to its customers" and backtrack on this. The problem is, I've already as of this morning stopped listening to GM. I sent the link to my wife, and now we're planning which Hyundai/Kia dealer to go to first to look at Ioniq 5s and $(whatever the equivalent Kia is called). Doug in Edmonds says…

Make sure you get a Hyundai/Kia with an immobilizer...
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