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Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by stcroixx »

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #89
jdthedisciple wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate what precisely is the issue with low female participation in a country's workforce?

The fact that half your workforce doesn't have an opportunity to contribute to the country's growth? I mean, cut the US or Europe's output by 25-30% (to match India's low female participation) and you're basically talking about eliminating decades of growth. People would be so much poorer and worse off. And that's just at the national level. There are a whole lot of other issues at the individual level, and the fact…

So they’re at home contributing to their families growth instead of their countries numbers - sounds like they are doing it right.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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snozolli wrote: post #143
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #97

https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-... this is what apple does. they use their clout, then they turn their back and play ignorant whilst placing unrealistic demands on the subcontractors who then place those demand on the labour. from: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/14/only-half-of-indian-iph... > 'Apple engineers told that Chinese iPhone suppliers and government officials have a "whatever…

this is what apple does. they use their clout, then they turn their back and play ignorant whilst placing unrealistic demands on the subcontractors While making $30 billion in profit for the first quarter of 2023. Apparently, this disappointed Wall Street, because they made $34.6 billion in Q1 2022. So, time to squeeze the vise on the little people. Also, they have $165 billion in cash and securities. Maybe they coul…

You had me curious so that's about 3k short tons of gold. Could crush a lot of people. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=165+billion+USD+%2F+%28...

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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lotsofpulp wrote: post #106
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of when people in China were expected to work on Saturdays back in 1999. Developing countries often require 48 hours a week as a way of catching up.

1999? This was news in 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/996_working_hour_system

ugh, really gets to me. What the hell is the point of claiming to be the political inheritors of a proletarian revolution if you're gonna treat workers like that?

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by dang »

throw93 wrote: post #75

The HN headline is incorrect. It’s not “12 hour shift for women”. It’s “12 hour shifts AND night shifts for women”. Night shift were not allowed earlier most likely because of safety reasons considering India’s not so great women safety record. Not saying it’s justified but that was the reason most likely.

I believe you but I don't fully understand this. Can anyone suggest an accurate, neutral title, preferably using a representative phrase* from the article? If so, we can edit it.

* https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by angelgonzales »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #140
newmanah223 wrote: post #133

I try not to judge these jobs by first world standards. What I don't understand is why a company can use $2 an hour labor and then sell a product for $1K. If I ran the US, I would put heavy tariffs on goods that companies try to outsource for cheap labor. This would encourage them to use technology and robotics to produce domestically.

Tariffs would increase the cost of these outrageously profitable products decreasing their market reducing sales. All things capitalists hate. Lofty goals like safe working conditions will always be fought against by capitalists who, by design of their own, are completely disconnected from the reality their greed creates.

There are no alternative economic systems without questionable environmental and safety records. Any production system will be designed to maximize outputs at the quality the customer requires while minimizing process inputs. Whatever psychological and social framework is used organize companies, governments and individuals, the individual workers will still be performing the same assembly processes on the factory floor.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by redleggedfrog »

snozolli wrote: post #143
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #97

https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-... this is what apple does. they use their clout, then they turn their back and play ignorant whilst placing unrealistic demands on the subcontractors who then place those demand on the labour. from: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/14/only-half-of-indian-iph... > 'Apple engineers told that Chinese iPhone suppliers and government officials have a "whatever…

this is what apple does. they use their clout, then they turn their back and play ignorant whilst placing unrealistic demands on the subcontractors While making $30 billion in profit for the first quarter of 2023. Apparently, this disappointed Wall Street, because they made $34.6 billion in Q1 2022. So, time to squeeze the vise on the little people. Also, they have $165 billion in cash and securities. Maybe they coul…

Should be fine as long as the put the nets on the outside of the buildings to catch the jumpers. /s

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by qwytw »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #153
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that half your workforce doesn't have an opportunity to contribute to the country's growth? I mean, cut the US or Europe's output by 25-30% (to match India's low female participation) and you're basically talking about eliminating decades of growth. People would be so much poorer and worse off. And that's just at the national level. There are a whole lot of other issues at the individual level, and the fact…

You do realize that prior to women entering the workforce a man, and his partner and three kids, working a full time factory job could lead a better lifestyle than two l5 engineers in CA can today, right?

Forgot the /s..

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by incone123 »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #22
incone123 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to do 12 hour shifts in EMS, where men and women are on the same shift system, so no issue with the hours. But factory work (which I've also done, 8 hour shifts) is constantly intense across the whole shift and I wouldn't want to do it for 12 hours.

Not trying to justify the 12 hour shift, but I imagine work at an electronics factory would be less stressful than your typical factory job.

All production line work is intense. You're going to be doing the same small task, to quota, the whole shift.
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