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50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by Lio »

User23 wrote: post #13
jpgvm wrote: post #4

Thing is this is also still the really basic stuff. It's only going to get worse as they attempt to shift more complicated things. People tend to drastically underestimate the both the scale and sophistication of manufacturing in China. For certain products the only reasonable alternatives to China are going to be South Korea and Japan in the medium term as they are the only other hubs with the required sophisticatio…

The United States and Europe still have the capability to make these casings, but it's "too expensive." I imagine so is Japan for that matter.

I think the main point about manufacturing in India is that it's a condition of access to the Indian market and that market is growing.

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Post by Lio »

valdiorn wrote: post #52
User23 wrote: post #13

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The United States and Europe still have the capability to make these casings, but it's "too expensive." I imagine so is Japan for that matter.

When I was looking at machining in China (I built some aluminium guitar prototypes) the cost between European fabricators and China wasn't just significant - it was an order of magnitude. I got a handful of absolutely impeccable prototypes from my Chinese manufacturers, for about 350 USD a piece. The few UK machine shops that even bothered answering my emails and phonecalls quoted about 10-15k per unit.

We need a government that's serious about lowering the cost of energy in the UK.

Given how much is available and how cheap it is, it's crazy to do things like ban on-shore wind.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

solarmist wrote: post #144
rocknor wrote: post #112

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Seriously, it has become a pattern now in every thread related to India. Really shows how HN techies are clueless about real world trends and live in their small bubbles.

Either they will adapt to working with a demanding global company or they won’t. Apple won’t accept any other outcomes. And they have the leeway to abandon projects this size easily. And if they don’t; it would be very damaging to India’s reputation (and GDP) for decades. I feel like they’ll figure out how to make it happen.

Apple might have the resources to make it happen. Anyone else probably doesn't want to hand-hold and threaten for years until they get it right.

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Post by poppytaker »

1024core wrote: post #129
blobbers wrote: post #46

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Anyone want to vouch for their great experience driving a Tata car? Not exported outside the middle east and India. Looks like they sold 5 of them in Europe in 2016. https://carsalesbase.com/europe-tata/#:~:text=Tata%20cars%20... .

You do know that Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover... right?

They are engineered in the Uk. Engines made in Uk and China. From memory India was assembly from knockdown unless that has changed. Supply is for the domestic market. Just because there is Ownership doesn't mean transfer of skills

Hyundai does some design work in India and manufacturing (i20) but hardly any exported, and for the domestic market.

Mahindra is probably doing the most exports, at a guess

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Post by throwawayxx123 »

blobbers wrote: post #46
tnorthcutt wrote: post #38

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> There are no cars or electronics, or chip fabs in this country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Motors

Anyone want to vouch for their great experience driving a Tata car? Not exported outside the middle east and India. Looks like they sold 5 of them in Europe in 2016. https://carsalesbase.com/europe-tata/#:~:text=Tata%20cars%20... .

I do not have a Tata car, but its everywhere here in India. It gets the job done and it is reliable, cheap to service and maintain and has good fuel economy. They also have make so many heavy buses and trucks. Technology and reliability isn't an issue with them. The latest Tata cars score high in NCAP too. Only reason I don't like a Tata car is because they are not so great in styling their cars. If some of them have good front design, they look bad from the back. The one's that look nice from back or sides doesn't look so nice from in the front etc.

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Post by rocknor »

MPlus88 wrote: post #127
rocknor wrote: post #118

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> Indians are only good at talking a good talk. Citation needed.

Angela Saini in her book "Geek Nation: How Indian Science is Taking Over the World" bragged that India is a up and coming scientific superpower. That book was published a decade ago.

While I somewhat agree that progress has been slow, a decade is hardly anything considering the scale of a country like India.

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Post by adave »

poppytaker wrote: post #174
1024core wrote: post #129

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You do know that Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover... right?

They are engineered in the Uk. Engines made in Uk and China. From memory India was assembly from knockdown unless that has changed. Supply is for the domestic market. Just because there is Ownership doesn't mean transfer of skills Hyundai does some design work in India and manufacturing (i20) but hardly any exported, and for the domestic market. Mahindra is probably doing the most exports, at a guess

Maruti, Kia, Volkswagen and Nissan are exporters of cars from India to 100 locations around the world. Simple search would have fixed this.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by adave »

blobbers wrote: post #25

Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…

You should learn more about car manufacturing in India especially Maruti with its bestselling models to around 100 locations worldwide.

Also wrong on chip fabs, there are no commercial high scales fabs but govt owned or small scale ones.

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Post by brmgb »

satvikpendem wrote: post #32
kalesh wrote: post #21

I am an entrepreneur & a small business owner in India. I did a small manufacturing in China & was blown away by their professionalism. The article mentions - `Chinese suppliers had a totally different attitude, aiming to exceed the Cupertino company’s expectations` - this is so true. In India, most manufacturing companies or businesses are trying to sell what they have or can produce (without any attention to detail…

From what I've heard, China also used to be like that, sending out cheap samples that didn't meet the specification, and the manufacturers there would tell you that they'd do it correctly next time, just for the same thing to happen again. But eventually they were able to do a good job. Give it time, Indian manufacturing is simply not as advanced as China's right now but it will be if enough investment is made.

The issue of India has always been that it has some serious cultural obstacles to overcome and very little interest in doing so.

Society remains deeply segregated with the caste system being a drag on everything. Religious intelorance is very high and the policians in power seem all to happy to stroke the flame of islamophabia rather than work on solving the actual country problems. Corruption is a reality everywhere and at all levels.

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