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Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by dredmorbius »

fullstop wrote: post #93
dredmorbius wrote: post #50

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1. At a certain point, the dark patterns are just not worth rewarding. 2. Teddit rewrites all Reddit URLs to the Teddit host. Reading Reddit via old you'll still be redirected to the standard "new" site if "www.reddit.com" is hardcoded into a link, and it very, very, very frequently is. 3. Teddit's persistence works even if you're not logged in (which is to say: always, as you can't log in via a Teddit instance). Red…

I find this extension for Chrome very useful: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/old-reddit-redirec... It's also available for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/old-reddit-re...

I've installed and use LibRedirect which addresses numerous dark-patterns sites, including Reddit:

https://libredirect.codeberg.page/>

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by eliasdaler »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #111
amelius wrote: post #27

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But ... these job postings are difficult to discern from other posts. At least Google puts "Ad" in front of ads ...

Putting an ad with text color #FEFEFE on a white background doesn't do much.

FTC actually has guidelines and rules for online advertising. Here’s a doc from them saying that the ads should be clearly marked as ads: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bu...

Strange it doesn’t seem to be respected on HN.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by dredmorbius »

dpkirchner wrote: post #101
dredmorbius wrote: post #46

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What would that entail? Note that HN's page structure (table-based design) makes some things in pure CSS ... challenging.

Slightly larger buttons would be welcome, at least as an option. That's all I'd change.

Quick mock. Roughly doubles arrow size, and spaces them vertically:

https://pastebin.com/qEeLNK9b>

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by dredmorbius »

rchaud wrote: post #83
dredmorbius wrote: post #37

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But: 1. Not within articles or threads. Contrast, say, the Washington Post which is currently inserting ... four ... ad placements per story ... and that's just within the text of a story itself. That excludes other interstitial nags ("see also" which are often very thinly-related if at all items), sign-ups, pop-ups, etc. (I'd recalled this being higher, four is still a few too many, but less than I'd thought.) And i…

There is plenty of sensationalism in the comments, when the topics are similar to those that newspapers would discuss. Take for example the recent spate of techco layoffs. I think you'll find the discussion is not nearly as polite and detached as those on regular nerd stuff would be (Rust, React, Static Site Generators etc).

True.

Though I make liberal use of the "collapse" toggle, and try to prioritise original content over comments (not entirely successfully, I'll admit).

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by dredmorbius »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #108
mopsi wrote: post #82

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People often say that the internet would die without intrusive ad tracking. HN is a pretty good example of the opposite, and there are many others. An electronics store I frequent hosts old-school electronics forum, a nearby youth hobby center hosts news and forums for scale model building, and so forth.

The smaller your audience, the less likely you are to get trolls and just the general population of morons.

True, though if that's your starting cohort, or they do move in in any significant way, You Now Are Having Troll Problem.

Another element is that HN's audience is largely self-segmenting such that targeted advertising would probably offer little additional benefit. The startup-founder and tech-worker pools are already global and are largely automatically segmented (filtered for) by HN's content, site dynamics, and reputation.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by ploum »

tapoxi wrote: post #35
ploum wrote: post #23

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You may be interested by Gemini…

How does Gemini compare to Gopher? Slightly related, HN is available via gopher://hngopher.com

Main differences are: - Gemini is conceptually simpler (no difference between map and text, straightforward URLs) - Gemini is easy to write (unlike gopher maps) - Gemini has mandatory tls (which may or may not be an advantage)

But Gemini was created from within the Gopher community and there are very strong links between Gemini/Gopher users. Most Gemini browsers are also Gopher browsers.

(My own turned into a web browser and RSS reader. I only need to add mail reading to have a complete office suite, see https://sr.ht/~lioploum/offpunk/ )

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by satvikpendem »

amelius wrote: post #67
abraxas wrote: post #62

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Most visitors to HN are unlikely to have a significant voice in defining the UX of things they build for a living.

I thought this was a place for startup founders.

The culture has shifted over the last 15 years or so. Initially it was indeed for YC and YC adjacent founders, but it evolved into a general tech news and tech workers forum. I'm not sure of any other good startup-specific forum that hasn't descended into spamming links rather than cultivating good discussion.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by NKosmatos »

colesantiago wrote: post #3

Agreed, I wish more sites were like HN, fast, free and ad-free, text only and no bullshit algorithmic garbage shoved in my face. All it needs is dark mode and it's perfect.

Hey, anyone knows where do I pay the 8$/month for the dark mode and some slight style/CSS alterations? :-)

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by amelius »

dang wrote: post #142
amelius wrote: post #52

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How do you know this is true?

We don't know that it's true, but what kzrdude described is definitely part of the mental model (or, if you like, the DNA) of the site. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=silo%20by%3Adang&dateRange=all...

Confusing terminology, imho. Facebook is a data-silo in this sense:

https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatamanagement/definition/d...

So the word already has at least two meanings in the context of IT.

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