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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by lapcat »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #165
lapcat wrote: post #158

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> your website being shutdown It's not a website, it's the app he's been working on for the past 16 years.

Ah my bad, if it's an app instead of a website, I understand how it is appropriate to use the passing of your mom as a metaphor in a blog post named "The Shit Show".

This feels like concern trolling. Did your mom just die a few weeks ago?

The author experienced two personally traumatic events in a short period of time. Maybe your sense of "tastefulness" isn't relevant here.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by tptacek »

AstixAndBelix wrote: post #168
tptacek wrote: post #140

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This notion of affiliating with specific servers with specific cultures is I think one of the first things that's going to go out the window as Mastodon/ActivityPub succeeds. It's not that hard to provision single-user instances, and the fabled moderation overhead issues are, as I understand from talking to operators, mostly a thing that follows from having lots of people in an instance following lots of other instan…

Mastodon was not made for p2p, which having a huge amoung of single-user instances basically is. The problem with Mastodon is that it ties your main account (and yes, most people just want a single account to represent their online persona) to a single instance which might have a very silly name and a very strong and unique culture (i.e. local timeline). The solution to this is not to self-host, because the infrastru…

I'm not sure I even follow this argument. I can stand up a single host in an hour or two. Six months from now, there will probably be 30 competing providers who can do it at the push of a button. Respectfully: why is it relevant to me what Mastodon was "made for"? I just want to follow people and post stuff. That works just fine even if literally everyone has to run their own server.

ActivityPub is like RSS and Google Reader rolled up in Twitter's UX. That's what I'm psyched for, and the part of it that I think will catch on.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by sshine »

bee_rider wrote: post #25
Waterluvian wrote: post #11

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I just hope we walk before we try to run. It feels like Mastodon has been given a colossal opportunity and it feels like it’s being completely squandered. I trust that Space Jerk will give Mastodon a very long opportunity window but the sooner the better. Maybe revolution is a good idea and I’m completely wrong. But I still find Mastodon so frustrating and unreliable that I am just not on social media at all now.

Apparently as a baby I learned to run before walking so I want to defend doing it that way. Running is a bit easier than walking, walking is a process of carefully balancing at each step. Running is just falling, but you catch yourself before you hit the ground. As long as you aren’t too concerned with steering, you can easily at least run until you find an obstacle. And then you’ve learned about a new type of obstac…

> as a baby I learned to run before walking

I learned to walk before I learned to crawl.

In between, supposedly, I just scooted around on my butt.

> Babies barely have the capability to generate enough kinetic energy to harm themselves

Sneezes are one way.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by pbronez »

api wrote: post #80
godelski wrote: post #50

I've been thinking about social media a lot lately and how it has changed my life. I'm only in my early 30's, but I think many others my age grew up online and when the internet felt smaller, but in a different way. I made life long friends through these means. But something I've noticed is that as everyone has come online, I have made fewer friends. What I personally miss is the small niche communities. These don't…

The net was a very different place before, say, somewhere between 2010 and 2015. I saw a huge shift then. Everything got monetized, weaponized, optimized for addiction, or drowned in spam. There’s always been bad actors and criminals and trolls online too but in the past decade they have either gotten worse or become more empowered. The golden age of the open Internet was really between about 1996 when it started to…

Well said.

I wonder if maybe It Can Be Different This Time. I think it will take focused work at the protocol level, because you’re right that the Fediverse is a juicy target. I worry that the next 6 months will be a war against spam and other attackers… one that instance admins are under-resourced and under-equipped to win.

We need to get a governance structure going and iterate towards something like OcapPub https://gitlab.com/spritely/ocappub

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by sph »

graycat wrote: post #172
Ensorceled wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, just maybe, HN isn't for you?

Of course, my point is the propensity of undefined terminology in writing about computing and in particular at Hacker News. It's a very valid point. You don't attack the point but ME. Not good.

This is a computing forum, ain't nobody got the time to explain what API means.

You should not go on medical forums asking in any post what SVT tachycardia means either. It's just rude, and trollish, since you have been here for 10 years and you're wasting everybody's time with fake questions.

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Post by blueelephanttea »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #102

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It's a metaphor about dealing with loss. How knowing something is coming allows people to cope more effectively. If your interpretation of that metaphor is that he is saying Elon's move is worse than or similar to his mother dying I find that much more distasteful than anything he said.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by input_sh »

Jcowell wrote: post #149
input_sh wrote: post #92

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You were able to switch to "latest tweets" before as well. The control was top right next to "home" label, the icon looked like stars. The only thing that truly changed is "latest tweets" got renamed to "following" and it now takes up more vertical space (53 pixels to be exact) completely unnecessarily for something you're quite unlikely to click on on a regular basis. Change for the sake of change. Doesn't actually…

Not that I want to defend Elon’s twitter, but a sliding menu is far better than a button you need to click on to see the options of what it does. It far easier to see tweets just from the people you follow with just a glance & swipe

There's no sliding to be done on a desktop, and I'm pretty sure there's enough space to put "for you" and "following" next to "home" above it, where the icon used to be. Or better yet get rid of "home" above it completely as I fucking know when I'm on a homepage, plus there's three(!) additional ways of getting back to the top when you scroll down the timeline ("home" in the sidebar, Twitter logo in the sidebar, "see new tweets" popup), and there's your space for "for you"/"following". Still horrible, but at least as horrible as it was up until now instead of being twice as horrible.

That vertical placement on a desktop is by far the biggest part of my complaint. It's half a two-line-long text-only tweet less on your screen at all times (spacing and controls below the tweet included), accurate to the pixel. It annoys me enough that I used inspect element to measure it. The implementation on a phone is way less horrible.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by doctor_eval »

warinukraine wrote: post #82
ArmandGrillet wrote: post #71

Well-written and touching post. To switch off this API used by so many long-time users on the same day "For You" appears as the default option on Twitter triggers me. The "For You" timeline is only for Elon: it will drive engagement, extremism, and all the things social networks have been accused of driving for years now in order to make more $. Some folks here have been comparing the crypto/Web3 and ActivityPub craz…

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I’m not a Twitter user at all, but the people who have engaged with Twitter over the past few years are the ones who have provided Twitter with its value ($44 billion according to Musk). It’s not because of Elon or the previous shareholders, it’s because of the users.

In return for this value, the users got a social ”backyard”.

We like to say that there is no such thing as a free lunch, but it’s also true that the free lunch is an exchange.

ISTM Elon is breaking this agreement.

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