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Starlink Aviation
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Re: Starlink Aviation
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a refundable deposit, not a down payment. There is no obligation on either side. There is too much demand and the service is oversubscribed in populated areas. Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populated, so it makes perfect sense that they can offer service to planes before people in oversubscribed regions. They are working as hard as they possibly can to get Starship working, which will enable St…
> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.
Yet again, we hit the "that depends entirely on where you live". On Vancouver Island, planes spend most of their time nowhere near populated areas, but between populated areas. Not that you'd need internet on those flights, but let's also not pretend there's only one type of plane flying one type of route with one type of customer in one type of setting (or even only one of those restrictions).
Re: Starlink Aviation
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a refundable deposit, not a down payment. There is no obligation on either side. There is too much demand and the service is oversubscribed in populated areas. Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populated, so it makes perfect sense that they can offer service to planes before people in oversubscribed regions. They are working as hard as they possibly can to get Starship working, which will enable St…
> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.
Why can't a plane switch to LTE or some proprietary airport base station while on the ground?
Re: Starlink Aviation
#174Edit: a fatal assumption that it's the airlines providing the service underpins my original post below, whereas instead it's the providers charging passengers directly. That's an entirely different model from below, so disregard my original comment aside maybe my last line. Preserving the comment for context though. --- At 25,000/mo, assuming a jet makes 60 trans-con segments in the US per month and a price of $20 pe…
And, knowing Musk, a way to play loose with the books. I can imagine a bunch of these reservations "financially delivered" to prop up SpaceX's numbers, which aren't looking hugely healthy.
I don't disagree but I'm curious where you are getting the data about SpaceX's numbers? Do you have information rights on their bonds or common stock?
Re: Starlink Aviation
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Per https://viasat.widen.net/s/clgfbt6sdz/1487977_business_aviat... $2795 is for 15GB data cap which is nothing. Their unlimited local service is $10k, unlimited global service is $14k $14k is more expensive than the cheapest $12.5k from Starlink and less expensive than $25k most expensive plan. Except Starlink is 350 MB/s vs. 30 MB/s from ViaSat. Starlink is 5x-10x cheaper per speed.
Well, and ViaSat is actually available now. "Available in 2023". We'll see. I mean FSD has been "coming this year" since 2016. And I regularly see people here complaining that they're still waitlisted for their terrestrial Starlink service. Who knows what ViaSat will have by whenever Starlink actually makes this happen (you know, with the mobile RV service that's "coming soon", and the maritime service, also "coming…
viasat will have viasat-3 by then, which is about 5x their total current capacity.
Re: Starlink Aviation
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US government is paying for services, so is the Ukrainian. As is USAID. Ukraine wants a $500/month service. Musk/Starlink wants them to be on the $4,500/month service and is complaining that they're "losing money" because they're not. Oh, and they want to continue being paid for services for terminals that have been destroyed (because, y'know, war).
SpaceX pays for service of ~14k terminals out of 25k and wartime service uses a lot more resources than regular business or residential grade. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1582523481345835008
by choice. if you want the media attention for your good Samaritan act when you send them, you also get the negative attention when you renege.
Re: Starlink Aviation
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a refundable deposit, not a down payment. There is no obligation on either side. There is too much demand and the service is oversubscribed in populated areas. Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populated, so it makes perfect sense that they can offer service to planes before people in oversubscribed regions. They are working as hard as they possibly can to get Starship working, which will enable St…
> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.
the wifi does not need to work on the ground. if an airline says they have onboard wifi and you’re using base station data on the ground 95% of people won’t have a problem
Re: Starlink Aviation
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having been a Tesla owner for a decade, give or take, I think the motto for Musk's companies may as well be "over promise and under deliver"
You bought the FSD feature as well? Still haven't been invited to beta but my bigger problem is the backup camera doesn't work due to a frayed cable and the cable has been back ordered for 11 months now. Musk never prioritizes his current customers. Need those cables for new cars.
> the backup camera doesn't work due to a frayed cable and the cable has been back ordered for 11 months now.
I would have assumed that this issue would be quickly addressed by aftermarket suppliers just like it would with any other car manufacturer. Are Tesla like Apple? (i.e abuse laws and technology to lock customers in)
Do they go after third party suppliers/parts?
Re: Starlink Aviation
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
They also own 2/3 of the US EV market (with all remaining automakers combined making the remaining third), but people love to shit on them all the time. Tesla is driving the EV revolution while the rest of the auto industry drags its feet.
It’s hard to say the rest of the auto industry is dragging its feet when several of them make objectively superior EVs. They’re putting in the effort.
> objectively
I do not think that word means what you think it means. Besides, you definitely can't claim it's "objectively" better unless you're really cherry picking the stats/features you're comparing.
Re: Starlink Aviation
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Planes spend a lot of time in areas that aren't populate no, planes spend most of their time in populated areas. specifically near major airports, and the WiFi needs to work on the ground as well.
Yet again, we hit the "that depends entirely on where you live". On Vancouver Island, planes spend most of their time nowhere near populated areas, but between populated areas. Not that you'd need internet on those flights, but let's also not pretend there's only one type of plane flying one type of route with one type of customer in one type of setting (or even only one of those restrictions).
I've done route planning for internet service. the vast, vast majority of the time they're in busy areas. you're talking about outliers.