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Is this the end of social networking?

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Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Social media cannibalized itself to death in pursuit of ad revenue via increased engagement . The harder they pushed, with content assumption algorithms, the more toxic it became. The more toxic it becomes the more it appeals to extreme personalities while alienating everyone else, a poisonous viper eating itself. It’s only market lag between the revenue source, media source agencies, and the realization that better…

I genuinely believe that AB testing as practiced by every major tech company (and the incentives it creates) has caused much of this. AB testing is a really unsophisticated way of measuring extremely short-term incremental gains in isolation. That's how we've ended up with products which have gradually become so hostile to users. Because individually the changes seem like small wins, but taken together and over the l…

I was the A/B test engineer for one of the most well known dot com brands about a decade ago.

A/B testing media (advertising) is extremely misleading compared to testing against something transactional. The goal of a transactional sequence, called a conversion (payment in exchange for a product or defined service), is a supremely simple metric. Although the goal is simple to define and recognize the costs associated are wildly complex. Media is the inverse of this where the goals and consequences are not immediately clear or known but both the costs and revenue are immediately straight forward.

The reason the financials of conversion are complex is because you need to account for the expenses to third parties to pull a user in, the purchasing horizon in time, potential for cannibalism against other purchasing decisions, and various other factors that cost the business money.

The reason metrics associated with media are complex is because users HATE it. Increased advertising presence drives traffic away. Shifts in traffic occur over a wide duration due to a variety of factors so it is almost impossible to measure just how toxic advertising is to a given product oriented business in isolation in accordance with a variable time horizon. Its actually much worse than that for a variety of technical factors. In the past legitimate ad placements have been delivery vectors for content and logic of malicious criminal activity. Advertising logic is frequently poorly written. Many websites will isolate their advertisements into iframes in order to protect their website from accidental defacement of presentation and/or broken logic. Advertisements come into the page super slowly which completely pushes out the waterfall for what might have been a quick loading page.

When I did A/B testing I would describe the media side of the business in terms of illegal job deals. I did this because of so many parallels in the transactions and risks in those markets, not because they are both filthy evil things.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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I recently friend requested a bunch of people I went to high school with who all thought I was a weird loser and I am very excited that I am doing much better than all of them. It’s made me like my social media feed a lot more seeing the school bully who loved ICP post about how “he’s ready to find the right girl and settle down (at 35) So I guess I use social media for the exact reason you don’t like social media. N…

I'm not sure continuous exposure to schadenfreude is any healthier than the more depressing topics, to be honest.

I mean I don’t actually revel in it, I was being a bit cheeky. I just wanted to reconnect with high school people during Covid so I friend requested a ton of people.

It’s sad seeing a guy who was in the “gifted and talented program” with me is apparently now a janitor who posts pictures every day about what concert or sports game he’s at and he’s always alone. I was excited for him because he took a picture with a woman and I thought he’d met someone but it turned out to be his sister.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…

> If we're lucky, that means a federated, open, mostly-ad-and-suggestion-free open source social media experience can fill the power vacuum for intimate, interpersonal, high-latency communication over the internet.

Worth mentioning is Jimmy Wales' effort in this vein: https://wt.social/

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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There are definitely ideas that are not allowed here.

I can't think of any non-rulebreaking comments that would get you banned just for expressing a distasteful idea. Can you give some examples?

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Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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No I can't, because my account would get banned. Probably under the pretext of the stated rule, "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies, generic tangents, and internet tropes."

Those seem to be based around the relationship of the comment to the post it is in rather than any specific idea in the comment itself. As if any comment flagged for those reasons could have the same idea expressed in a relevant post and not be flagged.

That is what the text of the rules say, but not how they actually operate.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Chat has not been around since the 90s, not in the form that is used today.

Now that I think about it, this is correct on at least one front: I can recall chat systems that existed in the 80s . What's the feature of today's chat systems makes them qualitatively different from those that are 30+ years old?

emojis?

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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The ideas that break the rules.

There aren't any ideas that break the rules though. Just structure, tone, and context of comments/posts.

Trying expressing certain looked down upon ideas politely and with a good structure, gentle tone, and within context, and see how far you go...

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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> There are ideas that are not allowed here. It would be more accurate to say that some ideas require more work here. The reasons why are open to debate.

If someone did a show HN, for their murder for hire app to connect assains to clients, i imagine it would (rightly) go over poorly. At least i would hope...

Depends, did they write the website in PHP?

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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> If we're lucky, that means a federated, open, mostly-ad-and-suggestion-free open source social media experience can fill the power vacuum for intimate, interpersonal, high-latency communication over the internet. I don't have as much hope for such a thing. To me, this trend is also a reflection of perhaps the societal devaluing of IRL social connections. In a world where encountering "new people" was novel, and typ…

Look at monica crm https://github.com/monicahq/monica . I've yet to offer to start hosting it for people, but that could be a neat conversation piece for changing the tides there.

I think the GP’s point was that social relationships are increasingly becoming irrelevant to people. Having a personal relationship CRM seems cool, but this shift in society is happening not for lack of good social tools.
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