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Is this the end of social networking?

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Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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I think authentic and engaging discussion requires a small audience. I'm reminded of an essay "Do things that don't scale"

Why is a small audience a requirement?

People interpret nuance differently. As the audience size increases, contention about nuance interpretation increases to the point where that overwhelms the original conversation.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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then why didn't vine or snapchat or whatever other video first platform from yesteryear catch on as big too? clearly there's more to it than "it's simply video first"

The fact that it's video first was necessary but not sufficient

yes thanks, that is much more clear

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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I think it might just be that that’s not needed anymore. The social networks of the past were useful as a way to keep in touch with people. MySpace, early Facebook, and the countless others from back then. Now everyone’s online 24/7, and accessible on multiple services all at the same time, all the time. You don’t need social networks to keep in touch with anyone anymore, their original raison d'être is gone. What’s…

> People want their bubbles. We’re all here on HN for that exact purpose. 100% disagree. I'm here to find ideas I disagree with and tell people how they're wrong. I'm not looking for an agreeable experience here. I'm also here to learn about new tech.

Is HN the digital equivalent of going to a bar looking for a fight?

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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> People want their bubbles. We’re all here on HN for that exact purpose. 100% disagree. I'm here to find ideas I disagree with and tell people how they're wrong. I'm not looking for an agreeable experience here. I'm also here to learn about new tech.

I 100% disagree with your idea that you, or anyone for that matter, is just here to disagree with other people’s ideas. Nobody disagrees with stuff just for the sake of disagreement. Who would do such a thing? Don’t bother answering that question though because you’d be wrong.

I feel like I’m watching you cosplay what I see 20 times a day on Reddit and why I’ve increasingly stopped browsing it.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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IMHO Social Media is a toxic mutation of the capabilities offered by the Internet and is the opposite of federated, open communication. I don't consider blogs, forums, or IRC to be "Social Media". When you add the idea of followers and audience and attention seeking (both from participants and the platform) that's when you get "Social Media". We live in the Infinite September. Scale is not conducive to valuable or fu…

I recently friend requested a bunch of people I went to high school with who all thought I was a weird loser and I am very excited that I am doing much better than all of them. It’s made me like my social media feed a lot more seeing the school bully who loved ICP post about how “he’s ready to find the right girl and settle down (at 35) So I guess I use social media for the exact reason you don’t like social media. N…

Sounds like not much has changed for you since high school.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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> There are ideas that are not allowed here. It would be more accurate to say that some ideas require more work here. The reasons why are open to debate.

There are definitely ideas that are not allowed here.

I can't think of any non-rulebreaking comments that would get you banned just for expressing a distasteful idea. Can you give some examples?

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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> People want their bubbles. We’re all here on HN for that exact purpose. 100% disagree. I'm here to find ideas I disagree with and tell people how they're wrong. I'm not looking for an agreeable experience here. I'm also here to learn about new tech.

I 100% disagree with your idea that you, or anyone for that matter, is just here to disagree with other people’s ideas. Nobody disagrees with stuff just for the sake of disagreement. Who would do such a thing? Don’t bother answering that question though because you’d be wrong.

This isn't an argument, it's just contradiction!

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Social media cannibalized itself to death in pursuit of ad revenue via increased engagement . The harder they pushed, with content assumption algorithms, the more toxic it became. The more toxic it becomes the more it appeals to extreme personalities while alienating everyone else, a poisonous viper eating itself. It’s only market lag between the revenue source, media source agencies, and the realization that better…

I genuinely believe that AB testing as practiced by every major tech company (and the incentives it creates) has caused much of this. AB testing is a really unsophisticated way of measuring extremely short-term incremental gains in isolation. That's how we've ended up with products which have gradually become so hostile to users. Because individually the changes seem like small wins, but taken together and over the long term they are deeply destructive to the core product. AB testing doesn't capture long-term changes to user behavior from the accumulation of disparate features. The incentive structures within these companies are all set up to be able to prove these small wins in dollar values to get a raise or promotion which has led to a race to the bottom as teams create features nobody wants to justify their existence.

Anecdotally I and many people I know have reached a kind of breaking point where these apps have become so demanding in terms of attention that we have to stop using them entirely. Whether it's YouTube's incessant advertisements, TikTok's infinite scroll or Facebook's insane jumble of a UI/feed these products are demonstrably inferior to their incarnations 5-7 years ago.

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