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Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

#172

Let's see... Under their proposed profit share, if they achieved DDG levels of traffic (100M queries/day, assuming $0.01 per query in net ads profit, that is $900k/day distributed among conservatively speaking 10M creators/sites) distribution would be $0.09 /day to an average content creator owning an average site. It does not sound much. If it was to magically fully replace Google tomorrow (10B queries/day) it would…

> The idea sounds noble on paper but it seems that math does not check. Missing something?

The profit is too low. And they're not saying they're going to provide a living wage, just an extra revenue stream. Just because that revenue stream isn't enough by itself to live on doesn't take away that it's a revenue stream and people who are indie hacking need to generate multiple revenue streams to provide security for themselves.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

#173

I don't trust Ahrefs at all. The whole SEO industry is tainted, and Ahrefs is not a good part of it. I don't want a search engine that pays "creators" (a search engine finds things, if they want to monetize it it is after it is found). I want a search engine that runs exactly as many ads as are needed to pay for itself, nothing more. Preferably with an option to pay for myself as an option. I'm guessing that means ht…

and why would anyone run a search engine that runs exactly as many ads as are needed to pay for itself? This is so stupid.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

#174
Competing heads-on with Google makes no sense; They already nailed the product on desktop and they are decades ahead in R&D.

At most you can attack it from a niche like voice-activated search, video search, Smart TV searches or car-searches.

The real opportunity to disrupt them was mobile search but they also saw that and went aggressively after it. The next big mainstream opportunity probably is when brain-to-computer links such as neuralink become functional.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

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post #174

Competing heads-on with Google makes no sense; They already nailed the product on desktop and they are decades ahead in R&D. At most you can attack it from a niche like voice-activated search, video search, Smart TV searches or car-searches. The real opportunity to disrupt them was mobile search but they also saw that and went aggressively after it. The next big mainstream opportunity probably is when brain-to-comput…

Google search gives me mostly shit results now.

I have now completely switched to Kagi and code.you.com.

I barely use Google now.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

#177
Maybe redundant, but how do you actually join? On their web site I do not see any partner etc. page, so how do they actually share that profit? I have so many questions: - how do they share profit? by number of visits? then how to avoid fake sites and those that copycat other ppl content? ...

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

#178
post #111

Considering how much HN loves to complain about Google, they sure also love to tear holes into not Google.

If HN existed when Google was founded, I'm sure we would have torn Larry and Sergey apart too. People rarely comment online when they like something. People with opposing or differing opinions tend to be over represented since the same people are more likely to be vocal about their feelings.

I am pretty sure majority of the HN crowd was largely supportive of Google when it was founded.

But it was a different Google back then: pure no-ads search results (and remember, this was the time of banner ads and paid search placement). Heck, I wore a Google t-shirt I got from them proudly, and recommended all my non-techie friends and family switch to it from Yahoo and Altavista and whatnot.

It was only a few years down the line that, relying on word of mouth recommendations from geeks up to that point, they started considering ads as the business model.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

#179
post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's stopping you, they crawl your site day and night and sell the data they have harvested at a vast profit. They don't even respect robots.txt.

AhrefsBot respects robots.txt. Details are here: https://ahrefs.com/robot

My parents say I am a very good boy too.

Re: Yep: Google alternative that shares revenue with creators – by Ahrefs

#180

I would be interested in a search engine which is optimized for users, not for creators or advertisers.

I guess a paid-for search engine like Kagi is what you should be looking at.

Results it gives are pretty good, and the incentives are aligned (they earn money from users).

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