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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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I can't speak for other companies mentioned (for most of them Russian government is the biggest shareholder, so I think you are right), but Yandex is not and has never been controlled by people close to Putin. I would like to see examples of this control, if you have any. Though Yandex has to follow government regulations (especially in its media department), a lot of which are obviously biased.

heh, ok lets see: 1. Golden stock which one gave veto on all decision was hold by Sberbank. 2. 2019 year, Russian gov takeover Yandex corporate structure: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/18/11/2019/5dd263f59... basically Volozh gave up Yandex to government. 3. Current position where Yandex is choose to silently agree with war - best proof that the company controlled by small people from fsb :) And yes, be sil…

1. Do you have examples when the "golden share" rights were excercised? Or which company decisions were actually impacted by it? "veto right" != "control". Othrwise we could say that Russia controls UN security council. All that golden share can veto is the consolidation of ownership in one hands.

2. I read it differently. The screws are tightened and company will be under control of board if Volozh dies, 2 of 12 board members are government-appointed. So I agree that government is trying to control Yandex tightly. It hasn't happened yet.

3. As far as I can see - Yandex does not support the war. And no russian commercial company can be openly against the war without effectively stopping the opperations immediately. Living under insane dictator is hard, but I don't think it is reponsible behaviour to turn shareholders investments into nil, leaving 20k people without job and millions of people without services (the last part is the least important because there are other local substitutes for most Yandex services). Genuine western companies can be openly against the war, because neither sufficient part of their income comes from Russia, nor most of their production/workforce is in Russia.

About your small things:

1. What kind of news can be aggregated from other sources is regulated by law. I mentioned that in my firs comment. There are _no_ non-pro-government news sources left in Russia. The ones that were still operating a short while ago regularly recieved strikes from regulators. You could make a point that it would have been better if Yandex just closed its news service entirely; and I would agree with you. I bet Yandex is thinking the same right now, but it is hard to make this decision when things were slowly regressing for 10 years and the tipping point was reached and news became toxic.

2. Right, because making statements to Putin makes such a great difference?

P.S. It is quite clear that in the recent years Yandex was trying to migrate from Russia as soon as possible to be less dependent on the whims of the regime. They did find the niches where they could be successful outside of Russia (at the very least - delivery, taxi and ride-heiling, cloud) but didn't have time to execute the plan.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Which part you find unprecendented?

Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

> Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine.

That's false.

> It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks.

It started in 2014. Or maybe even earlier. That's not weeks. That's 8 years.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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I think that difference is that USA was not actually that deeply interested in secretly running whole of Europe. Meanwhile, Russia was deeply interested in doing so last two decades.

America's influence in Europe is much stronger than Russia's. Besides NATO, the US has set up all kinds of NGOs that are very influential, such as the Atlantic Council and the German Marshall Fund. When that soft power doesn't work, the US is not afraid to use sanctions to coerce European countries: see US sanctions against Germany over Nordstream II, or unilateral US sanctions that prevent European companies from do…

It would be great if US or someone managed to prevent Nordstream II back then. Eventually they did not. And still, US dont go into outrage threatening local admins when someone wants to rename the street (as happened with Russia). They dont engage in that much corruption of officials either.

> Besides NATO

NATO is not secretly running Europe. It is alliance European countries openly begged, pressured and asked to get in.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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While this is true for the communities (people) themselves, a lot of us in Hungary who love EU learned languages and moved west, and practically lost our right to vote because of how the voting system is designed, even though we are still Hungarians officially. This allowed Orban to get authoritian power that is now undefeatable.

> and practically lost our right to vote because of how the voting system is designed Yet, I voted (abroad) in the last elections just fine? You do have to register early nowadays, whereas it used to be trivial to cast a vote previously, but I'm genuinely unsure what you base a claim such as "we practically lost our right to vote" on. In addition, several democratic countries disallow voting for expatriates (e.g. Ire…

Good for you, but even Orban supporters accept that the voting system is biased, they just like it that way. As for me voting would have been too hard, so I donated money for the opposition to buy ads, but of course it was no match for the advertising budget Fidesz has at this point.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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> Nobody was prepared, and no preparation would've been sufficient no matter what. This is just not true tho. Had Ukraine was not prepared, they would fold the way Russia expected them to. Instead, Ukraine did quite a lot of army reforms, lobbied to get guns long before war. They did not expected Russians to attack right now, because Russia seemed unprepared ... which they was. But they were not ruling out eventual a…

I agree with the OP that this situation is unprecedented. However, you're correct that this wasn't totally out of the blue. There were concerns about this that started emerging last summer, and then escalated again in the fall. This was related to the water crisis in Crimea as well as falling support for Putin in Russia. https://www.ft.com/content/5eda71fc-d678-41cd-ac5a-d7f324e19... I also think this has always real…

By unprecedented, in which time span it is unprecedented for Russia to become authoritarian or expansive? If anything, there seems to be continuity in Russian behavior.

> I also think this has always really been about the eastern Ukrainian region. The stuff about taking western Ukraine has been a strategic ruse and/or secondary aim.

I find this super unlikely. If the goal was eastern Ukrainian region, their initial attack makes zero sense. And also, their rhetoric's makes zero sense - they talked about Ukraine not being real country, Ukrainians not beaing real nation.

You don't need to attack Kyiv to get eastern region. There is nothing to suggest that this was ruse, but everything to suggest they failed and they are looking for second price.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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I guess the company was Ilmatar Energy, and they had signed a five-year contract, which started in January. Some contract violation is required to cancel that. https://www.saurenergy.com/solar-energy-news/russian-yandex-... https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/yandex-signs-5-ye...

I wonder. Every contract I've ever signed, has clauses about "unless legally compelled". EG, if it is an NDA, it often talks about the NDA being void, if compelled to testify etc etc Most supply contracts should have the same concept. That is, "this contract isn't enforcable, if a party is legally compelled to do thing $x".

This doesn't need to be written into the contract inside the EU. Law is stronger than contracts, legislators and courts can pre-empt contracts in part or in whole.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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> In early April, Nivos Energia announced it is buying a bioheat center from local firm HansHeat, which uses wood pellets or grain as fuel. [Emphasis mine]

Grain seems like a rather inefficient way to generate power. Do they mean the waste straw left behind after harvest!

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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> If the situation so requires, we would have to replace waste heat mainly with Russian natural gas and light fuel oil. Why wouldn't this just be using the electricity freed up by not powering the data center? Thermodynamically, the data center is just a resistive load, so assuming the electrical distribution system can handle the load, it should be a drop-in replacement.

There are no resistive heaters feeding the district heating system, only burners.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Arabs could have easily sanctioned US and the rest of West back then. Or maybe people were happy to see Husein go... While in this case the world has a different opinion.

No one can easily sanction the US, even if it invades a country against all UN rules. Countries that opposed the invasion didn’t even leave NATO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_sanctions_against_the...

Apparently not.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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post #167

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The article title is misleading, but it does mention in the body of the story that: "The reasons for the disconnection are not clear, as Yandex is not currently on sanctions lists, but its news and blogging services, as well as a senior executive, have been criticized for spreading Russian propaganda"

The first phrase in the article: > Yandex's data center in Finland has been cut off the electricity grid as a response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It is still kinda misleading.

Yeah I know, it's a bit of a mess.
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