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Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Post by urthor »

rl3 wrote: post #129
Andrex wrote: post #14

Whenever I transpose my comments to HN, I usually do some light editing. The following comment is unedited because this headline kinda fired me up. Considering how Google’s treated AR and VR in the last 10 years, hyping people up then quietly pulling back support and finally cancellation after just 2-3 years, I don’t see this going well. They had a toehold 6-10 years ago which they could have easily kept iterating on…

> Google, you’re charging into battle with Apple and Zuck and you got a dildo made of American cheese. Good luck. Zuck's vision is trash to the point I question whether the man's had an original idea in his life, so I'm not completely discounting the American cheese monstrosity as somehow prevailing. I don't really care for Apple either, but I suspect they're going to "win" by virtue of focus and culture alone. Of co…

Whilst I'm all for ragging on Facebook's missteps, their vision seems pretty good if I was in Zuc's shoes.

They want to be vertically integrated, discount Apple in this space.

They're deploying cost effective hardware combined with vertically integrated software stacks that "just work."

And they are leveraging things Facebook does extremely well, targeting extreme volume for cost amortization, UX and building microtransaction loops.

Like it or not those are things you can't say Facebook is bad at that stuff generally speaking.

Everything about the Facebook metaverse vision is cynical from a societal aspect.

But the business case is fine.

They won't make any money for about 10 years, but after 10-15 years of Quest like products, they will be doing well for themselves.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Post by Const-me »

gonehome wrote: post #25
Andrex wrote: post #14

Whenever I transpose my comments to HN, I usually do some light editing. The following comment is unedited because this headline kinda fired me up. Considering how Google’s treated AR and VR in the last 10 years, hyping people up then quietly pulling back support and finally cancellation after just 2-3 years, I don’t see this going well. They had a toehold 6-10 years ago which they could have easily kept iterating on…

Google seems unfocused - AR is an example of this, their messaging platforms and failure to leverage Google voice for 10yrs after the acquisition are too. I’d bet on Apple, FB, or some new entry (harder without the underlying OS). DeepMind is the most interesting thing coming out of Google imo.

> harder without the underlying OS

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the current mainline Linux. There’re issues on desktop, sure. But VR/AR stuff is not similar to desktop, quite the opposite, it’s similar to embedded. For newer mobile GPUs, Linux even support Vulkan in addition to GLES.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Post by comp_throw7 »

sombremesa wrote: post #137
temporalparts wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing Google VPs make ~5 mil a year, given that L8 engineers make ~1 mil a year [0] [0] levels.fyi

There are huge issues with how these salaries are reported. When you include stock compensation especially: what about vesting schedules and taxes? You can leave a job (by choice or otherwise) where you worked for a year and were making "1 million a year" with less than $300k in total compensation. It feels like a little trick being played on the employees, kind of like unlimited PTO. I'm sure some people actually en…

Equity compensation at places like Google vests monthly with no cliff, and it's taxed as income. You get what you see on the tin.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Post by sombremesa »

comp_throw7 wrote: post #173
sombremesa wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are huge issues with how these salaries are reported. When you include stock compensation especially: what about vesting schedules and taxes? You can leave a job (by choice or otherwise) where you worked for a year and were making "1 million a year" with less than $300k in total compensation. It feels like a little trick being played on the employees, kind of like unlimited PTO. I'm sure some people actually en…

Equity compensation at places like Google vests monthly with no cliff, and it's taxed as income. You get what you see on the tin.

> places like Google

Which place aside from Google?

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Post by akomtu »

xyzzyz wrote: post #151
akomtu wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably meant you were given a loan to buy a house.

Yes, that’s how people typically buy houses. Deeming a salary low if you can’t buy a house with one year of after-taxes, after-expenses income, sounds rather insane to me.

No, they don't. They lease houses from banks, with a possibility to buy it in 30 years.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Post by jorl17 »

dougmwne wrote: post #102
romanovcode wrote: post #84

Google cannot do anything except search and ads. Every other project they did was a failure. I have absolutely zero trust in any new product they release.

Recently moved from more than a decade on Android to iPhone. Once the Stockholm syndrome wore off I realized how pathetically behind they are on mobile.

Hi! I'm a very happy iPhone user (and Mac + Apple Watch + AirPods, you name it...), but I'm surprised by your comment....could you elaborate? In what way do you think that google is pathetically behind?

I've always seen it as just a different ecosystem with different ideas. I look forward to reading what you have to say!!

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Post by nunez »

azeirah wrote: post #141
lgleason wrote: post #116

As an Android developer and early Glass explorer it pains me to say that I agree with a lot of the comments here. I was having a conversation with someone connected to the upper execs there one time who explained this to me. They said that Google could generate the same amount of profit with a small fraction of the staff it currently has. The thing is though, the stock price would not be nearly as high and they have…

I think we're getting closer to a time where smaller players can start competing in the search engine space. Recently here on HN someone launched a search editor for small, niche, seo-free, old, content/text-heavy websites. It's useful because it serves a specific purpose, and can give you very different but useful results due to how it presents its results. Storage is getting cheap, scaling is a solved-ish problem,…

This might actually be one of the most exciting things about web3. A network of decentralized nodes whose maintainers get paid to operate (somewhat) is a big part of building a global-scale search engine. I'm still learning about web3 and might be wrong here.

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Post by xyzzyz »

akomtu wrote: post #175
xyzzyz wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that’s how people typically buy houses. Deeming a salary low if you can’t buy a house with one year of after-taxes, after-expenses income, sounds rather insane to me.

No, they don't. They lease houses from banks, with a possibility to buy it in 30 years.

That’s not how mortgage works, no.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Post by Slade1 »

I thought a lot about the comments here today, it's not often you see so much anger about just the mere insinuation that a company may possibly release what essentially seems like an IoT product. I had trouble thinking of why the possibility of this being true would enrage so many, when you have no obligation to even buy it if it does become real.

The best reason I can think of is that a lot of people were genuinely excited at Google glass or daydream when it was still budding, and want to see cool/impressive tech exist but are jaded by the previous emotional investments that didn't pay off.

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Post by tata71 »

simonh wrote: post #113
dehrmann wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google was once an innovator (search, Gmail, Docs) Docs was from an acquisition.

I used to think that mattered, but I’m not so sure any more. After all the people that developed that product became part of Google, and they didn’t become any less the innovators of it as a result. I think what matters with an acquisition is how it’s managed and how the technology is developed. I think it’s unarguable Google has put significant investment into docs and done a good job developing the product so I hav…

If you want maintained, passionately developed software, it absolutely matters.
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