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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by pepoluan »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #77
vesinisa wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation took about three seconds on my Windows 98 SE laptop. It took three minutes on my Windows XP. It never finishes on modern Windows.

I use Windows 10 Pro on Asus VivoBook 15. Hibernation takes approximately one minute.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by widerporst »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #162
zokier wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

> Problem is that hibernation is slooow It isn't. It can add just some seconds (probably less than 5 on fast SSDs, even less if you don't have too much RAM). If people can't wait this little they need to have their lives / jobs / mental health fixed rather than add more orders of complexity (with according increase in problems) into the computers.

Depends on your definition of slow.

On my work laptop (modern HP Elitebook), sleep doesn't work at all (laptop just turns on again after going to sleep), so I'm using hibernate exclusively. Waking up from hibernate takes longer than one minute.

On the other hand, my private laptop (Huawei Matebook) wakes up from sleep in less than 10 seconds.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by hef19898 »

rawbot wrote: post #124
creshal wrote: post #58

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> It just decided not to shutdown like usual. This happened once or twice with Windows laptops for me (Lenovo and Asus); but each time the laptop survived. Was yours a fanless model?

Same thing happened to me with my Surface Book. I found it the next day with fans at max and burning hot. Still survived. Why aren't laptops shutting down when the CPU gets unbearably hot?

Good question, they do turn off the discrete GPU when it gets too hot.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by cesarb »

hetspookjee wrote: post #156

I really wonder what still drives people to Dell? Their products looks marvelous on the tech sheet, and that's also where the marvel ends. In my current career I've yet to touch a Dell laptop that doesn't try to melt itself by simply turning on, or fails to respond to touching the power button. It's as if the operation of the Power Button is a schrodinger cat. Any corporation that is operating exclusively on Dell I d…

I've had several Dell devices, both laptops and desktops, both at home and at work, and that has never been my experience. In fact, I'm typing this on a Dell laptop, which doesn't have any of these issues you mentioned.

> I believe that no sane developer will opt for Dell's products, but rather go with Lenovo or Apple.

I'm not interested in Apple devices, since besides being very expensive, I prefer to use Linux exclusively, and as far as I know, Linux on Apple devices tends to be problematic.

As for Lenovo, I tried buying a Lenovo device once, but they canceled the sale without any explanation and without giving my money back; and I simply couldn't contact their sales department to ask for a refund (by phone they said it had to be done through email, but the emails went unanswered; I had to sue them in small claims to get my money back). Contrast that with my experience with Dell, where even when their service wasn't at its best (IIRC, some sort of logistics issue due to changing their carrier), they at least answered my phone calls.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by hef19898 »

quicklime wrote: post #80
toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Next thing you know, they'll be telling you that you can't use the device on top of your lap...

Try playing games when your legs block the GPU fans! Only question is whether your legs become insufferably hot before the GPU shuts down! In my case, it was usually the GPU

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by jakub_g »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #77
vesinisa wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation took about three seconds on my Windows 98 SE laptop. It took three minutes on my Windows XP. It never finishes on modern Windows.

Time to hibernate linearly depends on amount of RAM you have, and whether you have HDD or SSD. On my 16GB T450 (SSD) with Win10 it takes several seconds.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by tomjen3 »

gibba999 wrote: post #6

I've had hibernated laptops wake up for whatever reasons in bags before. They get super-hot and shut down. Come to think of it, they were Dells. Perhaps some switch is not properly debounced or something.

This explains why my old windows laptop is constantly out of juice whenever I need to do something with Windows, even though I was sure I set it to hibernate.

The last time I turned it of, I removed the battery. It is pretty silly that my laptop in 2021 can't do what my first laptop could do in 2003. Even worse, it is a Thinkpad. I expect better from those.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Dhrhdhxbxbx »

kawsper wrote: post #167
zokier wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

Fedora doesn't even create swap partitions anymore, so you have to enable that first to enable hibernation, enabling it requires you to create a swap-partition, change things in systemd and meddle with the grub-configuration: https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/fedora-hibernate.html

Hibernation should work fine with a swap file. I've been using it without issues on my Xiaomi Redmibook on a btrfs partition: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_an...
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