To all the people here bringing evangelical christians and other nonsense into this: Both OF and the CC merchants are owned by Jews. If they’re any bit intelligent about this they’ll try to push for a legal change/protection by pretending to fight each other.
The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks
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#172This is rich coming from The Guardian, which for years has been in favor of private actors censoring their ideological opponents. Today, when their face is getting eaten by leopards, they're worried about "unaccountable power", but tomorrow, they'll be demanding others be kicked off the internet.
Exactly. They now start crying when it happens to others that they support, when the whole entire point is that this can happen to anyone; as these private companies are on the side of profit.
Sometimes, they only learn who really is in charge as soon as it happens to them which is always when it is too late.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the article you linked, there was clearly coordinated groups trying to overtake: >The officials did note that far-right groups – like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Three Percenters – may have collaborated in breaching the Capitol on the day of the riot. These aren't scrubs either. Some of them are ex-military, armed civilians coordinating with other groups to breach the capitol and take hostages. This is not…
Then you might as well say that any riot or even a protest any of the people from these groups participate is an attempt to overthrow the government.
They pushed through security, and accessed private offices, and destroy property, with the stated intent to stop the vote count. On Camera.
This was not a protest or a riot, they intended to disrupt the normal order of governance.
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#174It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."
A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.
You absolutely do not genuinely believe the white house rioters thought they were overthrowing democracy and this a plainly obvious straw man.
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#175Isn't this what we made btc for
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The reason the banks, and through the banks OnlyFans, attack sex is because they are accountable, and don't wish to take risks unless they are very profitable risks. This is exactly the case.
Does anyone know the specific reason banks find the adult industry risky?
> Does anyone know the specific reason banks find the adult industry risky?
Likely higher instances of "friendly fraud", and chargebacks.
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#177There's this common meme of blaming anti-sex-work sentiment on some bloc of US Evangelicals who secretly rule the Western economy and politics. Because surely, it couldn't be the market speaking out against adult material? Here's an alternative hypothesis: between those anti-sex fundamentalist religious groups (Christian or otherwise) and people who absolutely love everything sex-related, there's the vast majority of…
It makes sense for platforms like Youtube ("advertisers don't want to have their brand associated with $topic because it's controversial"), but it makes less sense in terms of payment providers. Is the majority who supposedly prefers to keep anything surrounding sex in private pressuring Visa to not work with OF?
The theory that payments with OF have more charge-backs and that's why they are going after them is plausible to me. From what I understand, there's a lot of blatantly false advertising/severe buyer's remorse on OF.
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#178It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."
A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.
"A girl pleasure herself" is a gross simplification of a highly complex topic.
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#179There's this common meme of blaming anti-sex-work sentiment on some bloc of US Evangelicals who secretly rule the Western economy and politics. Because surely, it couldn't be the market speaking out against adult material? Here's an alternative hypothesis: between those anti-sex fundamentalist religious groups (Christian or otherwise) and people who absolutely love everything sex-related, there's the vast majority of…
Instead of asking the payment processor monopoly to censor things you don't like you can.... you know.... not indulge in things you don't like instead of ruining it for everyone who does like it? The market speaks out with wallets not with hypocritical outrage nor moral high grounding nor virtue signaling and especially not straight up random censorship of legal buisnesses. And last time i checked onlyfans was wildly…
Outrage and virtue signalling is mostly noise. It only works on businesses when it becomes a credible risk of monetary losses.
> Instead of asking the payment processor monopoly to censor things you don't like
There's no monopoly here. There are many payment processing options, but their differ in their level of service and transaction fees. Both of which get better with scale. So while everyone wants to use the major processors, those processors have to cater to majority use case, because that's how they maintain their position and profits.
> last time i checked onlyfans was wildly profitable and legal
And niche. The OF story is weird in many ways. At this point I half suspect it was a PR stunt. But still, it's a fast-growing company, and like all such companies, they evolve towards being appealing to the masses, because it's the only way to continue rapid growth.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is that the banks all move in lock step, undermining the basic principle of the free market. If one bank decides it doesn’t want to deal with porn, fine. But when all the banks decide that, that’s very very bad. The cumulative effect is a chilling of protected speech in a way that congress could never legally get away with.
I mean, if it's really a great market that's underserved, then you should launch a payment processor that serves the market. People think this is about morality, but it's a lot more about the cost of operating in that market. I bet that there are way more claims of fraud, money laundering investigations, subpoenas and other overhead that the banks don't want to deal with. Like teenagers stealing credit cards to pay c…
A payment processor is useless without the possibility to pay with a credit card. And that means you depend on Visa, Mastercard and Amex.