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Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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Additionally, ReCAPTCHA is worse than a metal detector, since in addition to being an inconvenience, it's performing unpaid labor for Google. It's more like a bouncer at the door, who won't let you in unless you grease his palm first. Just filthy corruption, plain and simple.

How is it corruption? The website’s owners consciously choose to use said bouncer who has agreed to accept compensation in the form of making the website’s visitors solve captcha.

Do you think that's universally true, like website _owners_ (as opposed to developers) realise captchas are a thing? Seems unlikely to me; the dev setup a cdn, the owner mightn't even know what that is.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I'd say it's because the North America, car-dominated, strip-mall-and-stroad landscape is depressing as hell. Open a map and drop yourself somewhere in Europe. I just did, and I feel like identifying crosswalks in a photo like this wouldn't be depressing at all: https://i.imgur.com/31AgNvs.png

Many places like that exist in the United States, they just don't show up in captchas because they're much more likely to include identifiable humans.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe? A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They…

This essay must be a personality test, because I read it as satire and laughed manically imagining someone so concerned with this.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #17

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Being asked by a machine to prove that you are human is sometimes really humiliating, especially if you fail the captcha a few times in a row.

It's really hard to know sometimes which frames humans generally classify as 'bicycle' or 'traffic light'. The bottom third of a tire? The supporting pole of an extra set of signals in the background? I sometimes have no idea whose intelligence I'm supposed to emulate.

They can just use the data and see "50% of verified humans clicked this" and know that it is debatable or not obviously a match but not a verified not-match.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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sorry. meant better than captcha like solutions. i know there are others, but it's still click here until we believe you're not a bot.

https://friendlycaptcha.com/ Requires the browser to complete a Proof of Work challange. Not for verifying humanness, but against spam / dos attacks.

Proof of work is horrific. Means someones old phone has a meltdown trying to load the page while a warehouse in china with the latest GPUs cranks out billions of proofs per second. You could even utilize botnets to get random laptops and fridges to do your PoW.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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As far as I understood the problem with Captcha was and is that it is too American not in a bad sense but culturally. People coming and using the Internet from developing countries might not be able to solve Captcha because their culture is different. I was thinking how to solve this problem and I came to the conclusion that it is very hard to design puzzle for every country in the world so I decided to put them in c…

It’s not even necessarily the culture, it’s occasionally bit me as a native English speaker but not of American English. It’s a very minor annoyance on par with “colour” versus “color” when writing CSS but occasionally the automotive ones throw me off. For example, it took a captcha for me to know the central reservation is called the meridian over the Atlantic. I imagine it’s awful for people with English as a secon…

Median strip?

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe? A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They…

It's for this very reason I'm so happy to see something like this article on HN, and I'm so happy to see your comment too. I think I know exactly where you're coming from -- I was exactly the same way when I was younger. I was 100% extremely logical, and my emotional awareness was... exceedingly underdeveloped. Long story short, I got into different artistic pursuits where I was forced to develop my emotional awarene…

I was surprised with how this comment turned out. I thought for sure you were saying that emotional maturity would show you how much people project their own emotions upon any given subject of art. Much of your comment could be read on a way that conflicts with your conclusion.

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #71

For me a part of the melancholy feeling comes from the indignity of being forced to prove I'm human, and then the frustration at this stupid world we've created which requires me to do so which immediately follows the indignity. A website with captchas is like a retail store with metal detectors; it's not somewhere I feel welcome.

I'd be sort of okay with the general idea of proving I'm not a robot, you know what really rubs me the wrong way? It's how blatantly dishonest and disrespectful it is. Let me explain: google decides if you're human based on the data it has on you, such as your browsing profile and whether you're logged in to your Google account. Therefore it punishes you for trying to have privacy or refusing to use google services,…

https://youtu.be/LButXcZ57pc

I think of this every time now

Re: Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does

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post #125
post #36

I'd say it's because the North America, car-dominated, strip-mall-and-stroad landscape is depressing as hell. Open a map and drop yourself somewhere in Europe. I just did, and I feel like identifying crosswalks in a photo like this wouldn't be depressing at all: https://i.imgur.com/31AgNvs.png

I didn't understand "stroad" so I looked it up: > "Stroad" is a word we coined in 2013 to explain those dangerous, multi-laned thoroughfares you encounter in nearly every city, town, and suburb in America. They're what happens when a street (a place where people interact with businesses and residences, and where wealth is produced) gets combined with a road (a high-speed route between productive places). -- https://w…

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