> Part of it is the sheer hassle of repeatedly identifying objects — traffic lights, staircases, palm trees and buses — just so I can finish a web search. Does Google ask you to complete a CAPTCHA to run a web search? I've never experienced that - is that a thing?
If Google deems your request suspicious enough, yes. You can try this yourself by Googling something suspicious, like common Google dorks. After a few variations of WordPress/phpAdmin Google dorks, you'll get a popup asking you to fill out a CAPTCHA to continue. If you share your IP with lots of people (CGNAT, schools, large offices) then enough weird Googling can get the entire IP address stuck behind CAPTCHA's for…
Captcha pictures force you to look at the world the way an AI does
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#102“I can see how you might think that’s a boat but I assure you it’s a mailbox.” “COMPLY” “This hurts you more than it does me. click”
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#103As far as I understood the problem with Captcha was and is that it is too American not in a bad sense but culturally. People coming and using the Internet from developing countries might not be able to solve Captcha because their culture is different. I was thinking how to solve this problem and I came to the conclusion that it is very hard to design puzzle for every country in the world so I decided to put them in c…
I imagine it’s awful for people with English as a second language.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many times have you gotten locked out by a captcha? I don't mean "try again," I mean the neverending cycle of "try again" that completely prohibits you from going about a particular piece of business. My guess: you are US-informed enough, neurotypical enough, good enough at guessing constraints to fix underdetermined prompts, and use proxies little enough that capchas have never been more than an annoyance for yo…
Did you read the article? Your argument has nothing to do with the point of the article nor OPs comment.
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#105For me this effect is significantly compounded by not being from the US / North America. This has come up on HN before (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25226805 ) but it still strikes me as so odd that you need quite a bit of USA cultural / vernacular knowledge to navigate the internet anywhere in the world (or at least English speaking sites?). What a strange view into another country to see each day!
True, but the questions are still very poorly posed even if you are from the US. Does a corner of a wheel count as a car? Is the square box containing a traffic light a traffic light? What about the horizontal pole on which it is suspended? What about the vertical pole holding up the horizontal pole? If there is one in the distance, does that count? You have to play a game of guessing what other people will guess, an…
Captchas aren't a "score 100 percent at this minigame" thing, they're more of a "loosely follow these instructions while I watch your cursor and analyze your results to figure out if you're a human or a selenium instance."
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#106I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe? A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They…
It's for this very reason I'm so happy to see something like this article on HN, and I'm so happy to see your comment too. I think I know exactly where you're coming from -- I was exactly the same way when I was younger. I was 100% extremely logical, and my emotional awareness was... exceedingly underdeveloped. Long story short, I got into different artistic pursuits where I was forced to develop my emotional awarene…
I still slip into viewing the world in “comfortable” black and white logic with clear cause and effect when stressed, often without realising. I lose my humanity and enjoyment of life in the process.
I absolutely agree with being consciously blind, but subconsciously 100% unaffected by our surroundings. It felt (and often feels) like everyone is experiencing the world so very differently and yet they’re so often happier! The people I thought had no clue about how the world works… it turns out that often these people understood so much more than I at the time.
We seem so poor at teaching children how to live, how to manage emotions, and ultimately what it is to be human - in the west at least. Too busy spinning the daily hamster wheel to show our children what exists outside of it. Perhaps this is just my experience though.
Thank you for putting this into words so succinctly. It helps.
* I agree with Kermode’s view of film being an “empathy machine”, as he calls it. Spending an hour and a half of your time viewing the world through someone else’s eyes really can change a person and enhance one’s empathy for our fellow humans. Ultimately, as you say, the world takes on colours that you never imagined could even exist. For me, at least.
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#107As far as I understood the problem with Captcha was and is that it is too American not in a bad sense but culturally. People coming and using the Internet from developing countries might not be able to solve Captcha because their culture is different. I was thinking how to solve this problem and I came to the conclusion that it is very hard to design puzzle for every country in the world so I decided to put them in c…
It’s not even necessarily the culture, it’s occasionally bit me as a native English speaker but not of American English. It’s a very minor annoyance on par with “colour” versus “color” when writing CSS but occasionally the automotive ones throw me off. For example, it took a captcha for me to know the central reservation is called the meridian over the Atlantic. I imagine it’s awful for people with English as a secon…
Exactly captcha is too much English oriented. I don't have anything against American English or British English but majority of people on the internet are not native English speakers anymore or are not familiar with all the words and variants/nuances of English.
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#108I've read the whole article, and I see so many comments agreeing or even adding detail to the post. Am I really in the minority if this kind of thing couldn't even cross my mind or feels like written by someone living in a parallel universe? A few poorly shot street photos are "unbearably depressing"? And there's even a detailed explanation breaking it down into points, each one feeling more alien than the last. They…
Now, if I were to take this piece literally, I would be concerned for the author's mental well being. If I were to record everything I see all day long, nearly every picture my eyes capture would be mostly lifeless. Does that make me subconsciously depressed? Um, no. Not in the least bit. I evaluate pictures based on their purpose before I assign any aesthetic value.
Still, the author has a point: the current state of CAPTCHAs is a missed opportunity for something with more life.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being asked by a machine to prove that you are human is sometimes really humiliating, especially if you fail the captcha a few times in a row.
> Being asked by a machine to prove that you are human is sometimes really humiliating In a quite a few instances, I find it flattering, because it implies "we haven't sucked enough data on you already to know if you are a human, so we need to be sure."
My surprise if the sites that do those things turned out to be using humans for free labeling of images would be an exact, unsigned zero.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's for this very reason I'm so happy to see something like this article on HN, and I'm so happy to see your comment too. I think I know exactly where you're coming from -- I was exactly the same way when I was younger. I was 100% extremely logical, and my emotional awareness was... exceedingly underdeveloped. Long story short, I got into different artistic pursuits where I was forced to develop my emotional awarene…
Just because mixedCase does not find captcha pictures to be depressing does not necessarily mean that mixedCase has problems with emotional intelligence. I have no major issues with emotional intelligence as far as I can tell and I also do not find captcha pictures to be depressing. Maybe I would if I looked at them for hours for some reason, but I do not, and certainly the idea of them being "unbearably" depressing…