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Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by srean »

kumarvvr wrote: post #156
eldaisfish wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are all over this thread making bad faith arguments. Just because a government is elected through the process of voting, does not mean that it is accountable to the people. Politics is a dirty business and that is as true in India as it is in the US. You would struggle to make the case that the duly elected president of the USA, one Mr Trump, was anything but a con-man whose primary aim was the enrichment of hims…

> Just because a government is elected through the process of voting, does not mean that it is accountable to the people Isn't that true everywhere? in every democracy? Why do you think there are three equally powerful branches of govt., the legislation, the judiciary and the military? Indian constitution has good measure of checks and balances. If the ruling govt. passes a law, the opposition can always go to court…

> Indian constitution has good measures of checks and balances

Occasionally these institutions are manned by people with a spine to stand up to the government. Most of the time they aren't and are at best stooges.

Arnab Goswami (think a cheap Bill O'rielly wannabe) gets bail via a specially expedited hearing by the supreme court, jumping the queue of cases whereas students, reporters languish in jail for trumped up terror charges pressed by these stooge organizations.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by srean »

vedharish wrote: post #103

How can I, as an Indian citizen, "resist" or "protest" these changes? Today the government wants backdoors in social networks, tomorrow they may turn to other aspects. Also, I would like to point out that the laws should be very different for peer-to-peer encrypted tools like WhatsApp and Signal vs laws for "content-discovery" platforms like twitter and google search. While the government should not concern itself wh…

> How can I, as an Indian citizen, "resist"

Vote and encourage others to do the same, call out fake narratives in discussions with friends and family

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by naruvimama »

There is nothing lost here.

If Twitter decides to manipulate/cancel/promote content in an unethical way it can be taken to the court.

If the government makes unreasonable take down requests, Twitter can take it to court.

That way the pros and cons of censorship by either party is transparent and available for public scrutiny.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

Majromax wrote: post #144
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #119

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This is a conflation between the meanings of the word bias as “a weight” and “an ideological stance”. The thing that people take issue with is generally the latter, rather than the former.

It is a conflation, but I argue that there's no bright line between the two. The ideology behind pagerank is that relevant results are better and that backlink popularity measures relevance. Another sorting objective is that "more engaging results" are better. Each is ultimately an expression of will, since there is no objective ranking of what makes something relevant or engaging. Everyone will agree on the order of…

I agree with this line of argument in the sense that a choice of loss function is still a choice with implications that one cannot escape. All choices imply the expression of will and the exercise of power.

I think the essential disagreement isn’t so much about the choice of bias as it is about the exercise of power, specifically on who’s behalf do you exercise power? Do you do it for your users or for the greater good? Or for your customers? Or maybe your investors? Or maybe your ideals?

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by stoicjumbotron »

potamic wrote: post #37

I don't know if many people realize, but this is a pivotal moment for freedom of speech in India. The archaic IT act and National Security Act are already being severely abused to arrest journalists and activists, and the new 2021 rules take this to a completely new level. What they are essentially going for is unrestricted authority on content takedown and traceability of originator of content which will force compa…

Saw this post on Reddit in r/nottheonion and I wasn't surprised one bit seeing the past history of arrests made in India over matters such as these.

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Post by prudhvis »

selimthegrim wrote: post #169
kumarvvr wrote: post #151

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> selling out public infrastructure to capitalists Not sure what you mean. If there are any specific scandals you can point out to, I'd be really happy to know more. Are you suggesting govt. should not contract out infrastructure projects? > for waiving loans for billion dollar scammers More than 80% of property/money of such defaulters has been taken back by the government. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/…

I mean this is a little much - Manipur and Meghalaya are Hindu majority and China is fomenting separatism there too?

Interesting you bring this up. A counter example would be what's happening in Balochistan. It has a majority Muslim population, is India forme ting separatism there too?

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Post by native_samples »

random314 wrote: post #162
alex_smart wrote: post #148

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>The article goes against what you have been claiming. Not really, that article is an example of people spreading the lies. Perhaps it was not clear to you, but my claim in the previous comment was that a, pretty much all liberal voices were saying that bill would weaken the existing child labour laws and b, that all of them were lying. So the fact that you can find many such articles saying those things is not reall…

You are simply placing an absurd requirement on the reader. The article is pretty clear. New exemptions are being added to the law. Is this true or false?

He is not imposing any requirements on the reader, just reporting his own experience and indicating how his claims can be double checked, should you so wish.

A claim of "lots of liberal media are lying about an Indian law" cannot be refuted by citing that same media, and making him say it repeatedly doesn't seem likely to yield any further insight.

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Post by intended »

alex_smart wrote: post #70
potamic wrote: post #37

I don't know if many people realize, but this is a pivotal moment for freedom of speech in India. The archaic IT act and National Security Act are already being severely abused to arrest journalists and activists, and the new 2021 rules take this to a completely new level. What they are essentially going for is unrestricted authority on content takedown and traceability of originator of content which will force compa…

>Today, saying that cow dung does not cure covid, can land you in jail because it goes against the government's narrative. I overall agree with the point that many indian authorities have been using laws to punish dissent, but that is a little disingenuous. The specific context in that case was that those comments were made about the death of a BJP leader. So, those people were jailed for mocking the death of a polit…

For the record, this was what was written that got two people arrested:

> Erendro wrote on his Facebook wall: “The cure for Corona is not cow dung & cow urine. The cure is science & commons sense. Professor ji RIP”

and

> Wangkhem wrote: “Santhi Sanyung na yadrabo, oh!!! RIP #Rashikang_Kangyet Hayeng nga chaani.” (Rough translation: Cow dung cow urine didn’t work. Groundless argument. Tomorrow I will eat fish.)

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by justshowpost »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #105
mlnj wrote: post #94

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>So, those people were jailed for mocking the death of a politician, not for merely saying that cowdung does not cure covid. Again, not illegal to make fun of dead people.

Depends on the country; in countries like North Korea it'll probably get you executed.

That's bad example, in North Chorea eating too much grass could get you executed as well.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by justshowpost »

random314 wrote: post #141
alex_smart wrote: post #70

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>Today, saying that cow dung does not cure covid, can land you in jail because it goes against the government's narrative. I overall agree with the point that many indian authorities have been using laws to punish dissent, but that is a little disingenuous. The specific context in that case was that those comments were made about the death of a BJP leader. So, those people were jailed for mocking the death of a polit…

Nobody was mocked. The BJP leader claimed that cow dung cures covid19. He subsequently died of covid19. The one sentence post was a PSA that cow dung cures covid19. Nobody was mocked. If you want to see mocking in a free country go here https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/ . India is not a free country.

What a cesspool, to be honest with you...
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