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Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by ridiculous_leke »

xfer wrote: post #66
kumarvvr wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet is an oversized megaphone. A couple of 1000 dedicated workers can spread rumours, panic and propaganda. When you have a country of 1.3 billion people, a large portion of whom also have smartphones, who, unfortunately are also uneducated and gullible, you have the perfect environment to cause trouble. Apps like WA and Telegram, enable this megaphone to reach every nook and corner of the country. If tomorr…

The answer should be to educate the people. Judging the progress in the ML research, it is a lost battle trying to "protect" people from propaganda/misinformation. And i don't trust the indian authorities to do it right seeing how opaque the whole system is.

Goodluck trying to educate 500 million. The government can force people to learn stuff(like China) but that doesn't work due to fear of losing elections.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by news_user »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #29
HappyTypist wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you imagine the Department of Justice declaring Twitter to be no longer protected under section 230, after flagging Trump's tweets? This feels so, so wrong.

eh. in india the government sets the boogeyman and the national media as well as the government troll factory just lap it up. read these posts. india government calls anything critical of its actions on social media as "misuse" because it breaks the image of "worlds largest democracy". Twitter is being assholes. they should just patch up like facebook which fully complies with government meaning facebook becomes the…

Twitter should patch up and let a billion people have uncertain future on free speech (or at least what's left of it) amidst a blatant dystopia?

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by vedharish »

How can I, as an Indian citizen, "resist" or "protest" these changes? Today the government wants backdoors in social networks, tomorrow they may turn to other aspects.

Also, I would like to point out that the laws should be very different for peer-to-peer encrypted tools like WhatsApp and Signal vs laws for "content-discovery" platforms like twitter and google search. While the government should not concern itself what we speak to each other about as in the former case, for the latter there should be some moderation, just that the government should have some form of moderation along with the actual companies. Anyways I don't care much for the latter group as what I see / discover is already being manipulated by someone. We all want an unaltered version of the news / content but I believe it's an impossible problem to solve.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by lovelearning »

thoughty wrote: post #77

I wanted to give a little context on how laws in India work. It has to be passed in the lower house (Lok Sabha) and the upper house (Rajya Sabha). While the ruling party (BJP) has majority in Lok Sabha is does not have so in Rajya Sabha. Also note that the members of the 2 houses are elected independently in different elections are at different times. For a Bill to become an Act, it has to pass in both houses and the…

This is either misinformation or disinformation.

This set of new rules did not undergo legislative scrutiny at all. In fact, this is the main objection of multiple legal petitions about its constitutionality. Search for "IT rules 2021 ultra vires".

Two departments specifically advised the government that a new law was necessary. They were ignored. https://themorningcontext.com/chaos/did-pmo-get-its-way-on-i...

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

mlnj wrote: post #94
alex_smart wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Today, saying that cow dung does not cure covid, can land you in jail because it goes against the government's narrative. I overall agree with the point that many indian authorities have been using laws to punish dissent, but that is a little disingenuous. The specific context in that case was that those comments were made about the death of a BJP leader. So, those people were jailed for mocking the death of a polit…

>So, those people were jailed for mocking the death of a politician, not for merely saying that cowdung does not cure covid. Again, not illegal to make fun of dead people.

Depends on the country; in countries like North Korea it'll probably get you executed.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by astatine »

As much as I don't want to defend the role of the government in this mess, twitter has done a terrible job in the optics dept. They have chosen to ignore steps like appointing people for certain mandatory roles, blocking the handle of the minister responsible for the new law and so on.

It is almost like they wanted this to be a public fight. Is that a good strategy? Fighting the govt is rarely productive, but they probably know something to do this crazy in-your-face stuff.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by argvargc »

6510 wrote: post #13
danso wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral. But Google does manipulate search results, so ostensibly they should also be put on par with newspapers? examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27477797 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13274753 edit: Also your comment misleads on what the article reports. Twitter has not lost safe harbor because "they do gatekeeping and…

how would one even sort search results without bias?

Allow user choice. We all define "bias" differently.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by news_user »

thoughty wrote: post #77

I wanted to give a little context on how laws in India work. It has to be passed in the lower house (Lok Sabha) and the upper house (Rajya Sabha). While the ruling party (BJP) has majority in Lok Sabha is does not have so in Rajya Sabha. Also note that the members of the 2 houses are elected independently in different elections are at different times. For a Bill to become an Act, it has to pass in both houses and the…

Did the IT Rules 2021 go through the Parliament. I don't think so.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by KingOfCoders »

astatine wrote: post #106

As much as I don't want to defend the role of the government in this mess, twitter has done a terrible job in the optics dept. They have chosen to ignore steps like appointing people for certain mandatory roles, blocking the handle of the minister responsible for the new law and so on. It is almost like they wanted this to be a public fight. Is that a good strategy? Fighting the govt is rarely productive, but they pr…

Twitter probably can't appoint people to mandatory roles in every country of the world if the country demands it.

It is different though, when they have a physical presence in India.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by kapuasuite »

astatine wrote: post #106

As much as I don't want to defend the role of the government in this mess, twitter has done a terrible job in the optics dept. They have chosen to ignore steps like appointing people for certain mandatory roles, blocking the handle of the minister responsible for the new law and so on. It is almost like they wanted this to be a public fight. Is that a good strategy? Fighting the govt is rarely productive, but they pr…

>Fighting the govt is rarely productive, but they probably know something to do this crazy in-your-face stuff.

Depends on your definition of productive, I suppose.

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