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Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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The makers of Ivermectin are against the use of Ivermectin for Covid. https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use... The dissenters are advocating things even the company that stands to profit from those things opposes. That’s how off the deep end this is.

Here's the flipside to your point: "Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA Vaccine technology." - here he is discussing Ivermectin with Bret Weinstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY Another video Bret had to re-upload and only a short amount of it, because YouTube removed the original and gave him a strike for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q01LUg97eto

What does Dr Malone say about ivermectin?

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#172
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It's hilarious to see libertarians whining about being oppressed by corporations. Like, dude, isn't your whole philosophy that corporations should be allowed to do whatever they want without regard for anybody else? Go start your own YouTube. It's what Galt would have done.

That really worked out for Parler. It’s hilarious seeing the left defend corporations.

The people defending actions corporations are taking here are:

(a) hardly limited to "the left"

(b) essentially defending the right of most to decide for their own reasons that they won't amplify or carry certain forms of speech they disagree with

Opposition to this basically says someone can be legally compelled to participate in saying anything they disagree with or even find harmful.

If you're on board with that, I look forward to you graciously providing me with an unlimited easement to put up signs of my choice on your lawn.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#173

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Ivermectin is not a newly-discovered drug. There were hundereds of millions of courses administered world wide (it even got a Nobel prize). It has been used for decades. [1] The only unknown right now is the long term effect of ivermectin in patients with covid. It seems to me that it's the same unknown as with the vaccines. You don't have a clinical trial for effects of the vaccines after 5 years, do you? Why don't…

> mRNA vaccines, which have not been around for decades and only got the emergency authorization This is mostly true, but mRNA vaccines have gone through human trials before covid.

Yep, but these are completely different scales.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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He's the one whose tweet was linked.

The subject of discussion is the video that was taken down but almost half the replies are about Eric Weinstein's credibility as if that's relevant somehow.

Eric and Bret are partners.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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If all someone can come up with are "standard stances" in their capacity as a scientist, they are a worse-than-useless scientist.

Depends on how you define standard.

Sure, you can define standard however you want and then the conversation is meaningless.

But according to the standard definition of standard, which makes it synonymous with "average" or "norm", then my point very much stands.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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post #166
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What else should scientists do than challenging the status quo? Bret (Eric's brother, biology PhD) had a 2h long conversation with Pierre Kory (MD) and it was taken down by YT. One of the things they talked was the recommendations of WHO and other organisations to focus on supportive care only (supporting the patient while their organism fights the disease by itself). They insist on not using other treatments outside…

What did Bret say about ivermectin?

The whole conversation is on Bitchute and Vimeo:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qHjNQIynVb5O/

https://vimeo.com/557811163

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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post #7

What else should scientists do than challenging the status quo? Bret (Eric's brother, biology PhD) had a 2h long conversation with Pierre Kory (MD) and it was taken down by YT. One of the things they talked was the recommendations of WHO and other organisations to focus on supportive care only (supporting the patient while their organism fights the disease by itself). They insist on not using other treatments outside…

> What else should scientists do than challenging the status quo?

Refuse to work for Google. Shun and shame every single Google employee. Exclude them from intellectual circles. Those furthering our dystopian future should be treated as such.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#178
post #112
post #94

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> Protocols have been developed to ensure that we actually gain knowledge, and not at the expense of the patients. If medicine could be reduced to protocols, we wouldn't need the doctors. You can rest assured right now many MDs are prescribing off-label meds, diagnostics tests, making non-protocol judgement calls etc all around the world. And I am glad they are doing that, because front-line medicine is more engineer…

> You can rest assured right now many MDs are prescribing off-label meds, diagnostics tests, making non-protocol judgement calls etc all around the world. And I am glad they are doing that, because front-line medicine is more engineering than science and their job is ultimately to heal, not being protocol-only automatons. Well, yeah. One important point about health policy is that it's designed with the knowledge — t…

> But you can go ahead and keep doing X/Y/Z yourself; we'll turn a blind eye to that. Just do it quietly."

This is not true; the only MD in the discussion mentions he was strong-armed out of his personal off-label use, which is also contrary to the non-compliance slack you've mentioned.

> This is very different from actually making a recommendation to do X/Y/Z in those situations, because such a recommendation can be interpreted out-of-context to imply that doing X/Y/Z might be helpful

I don't know if you've seen the video in question, but they are not trying to make a medical recommendation at all. It is more of a meta-discussion, e.g on several institutional games (in the sense of game theory) including the implications of finding out a cheap off-patent drug that could contend with multi-billion-if-not-trillion-dollar global-scale vaccination drive.

> can be interpreted out-of-context to imply that doing X/Y/Z might be helpful, and may mislead some doctors into doing X/Y/Z in situations where it wouldn't be helpful

Youtube should not be in the business of assessing this risk, because they don't have the competence for this. I bet they don't even have one person with a medical degree in their policy team that made the takedown decision. When they take down an on-topic video of an MD and a PhD Biology, however unorthodox their expert position might be, it has the contrary effect of promoting folk medicine, not advancing scientific medicine.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#179
post #109

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This is silly. You have alternatives, but you still are dismissing them. You could similarly say that if "McDonald mistreats me, where I'm going to go? Wendy? or Burger King? no one is going there" Also your argument with electric company doesn't make sense, in this you could maybe compare it to an ISP, which I agree should be treated as an utility. YouTube is just one of many services available. Your only argument a…

Well, what's the BurgerKing of YouTube? I don't think there is one. At best Google has Bing, but I think the performance gap is a lot bigger than the gap between chains.

I think people expect the competition to be too perfect of a substitute when it comes to the internet. You are picking the most competitive market - burger joints - in an industry that everyone is forced to partake in: food. On a calorie basis, McDonald's and Burger King actually have some of the most cost effective foods. To me, it is like asking "who is the competitor to Costco? A membership bulk-only retailer, only Sam's Club!"

If we relabel YouTube as "short segment internet video entertainment" than we have things like Twitch, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat that all compete for our attention. I would even say that Netflix, Amazon Video, Apple TV+, Disney+, etc. all compete with YouTube. Of course, they are all unique, but that shouldn't be the bar of measuring "competition". When I used to run a university bar, I would say "we aren't competing with the other bars in town, we are competing with Netflix. How do we convince people to leave their rooms and walk across campus?"

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ivermectin is not a newly-discovered drug. There were hundereds of millions of courses administered world wide (it even got a Nobel prize). It has been used for decades. [1] The only unknown right now is the long term effect of ivermectin in patients with covid. It seems to me that it's the same unknown as with the vaccines. You don't have a clinical trial for effects of the vaccines after 5 years, do you? Why don't…

>Btw the emergency authorization can only be granted by the FDA if there are no alternatives. [2] Bingo. If there was a treatment for covid they couldn't administer the vaccines anymore. There are a lot of entrenched positions and people in power who stand to lose lots of dollars.

And such hypothetical alternative would also only have EUA under your argument. But that then wouldn’t stop them from administering the vaccine, as many of the various not-hypothetical vaccines work well and are cheap, so your overall statement seems a non-sequitur. E.g. it may have been true 6-12 months ago, but the available information has changed.
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