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An Asian Uber Driver Was Attacked by a Mob. Then YouTube Took Down His Video

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> Everyone's problems are equally valid and by advocating for one you're advocating for all. This is very much false. Many of the things done to treat one group's problems increase the problems for other groups (e.g. reduced policing in this case).

If you're going to disregard my problems I'm not going to listen to yours. How about that?

Sounds fine on both sides. I prefer not dying or being punched for no reason.

Asians please stop supporting BLM.

By doing so, you are hurting other Asians. Nobody will help you when you are attacked by black.

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I say “notion” for Asian being model minorities is because it depends on how you define success. Asians have, on average, higher incomes than other groups in the US including whites. Asians are overrepresented in tech. However, when you look at senior and executive positions, Asians are underrepresented. This is known as the bamboo ceiling. Tech companies while left leaning is still predominantly white in management…

This comment is rife with the bias that asians use to oppress other minorities, mainly blacks. Interestingly this is the one thing you do not allude to at all. You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims, you paint all whites as bad faith actors. This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out, this is why the name Latisha Harlins is never spoken and the perpetual racism of asians toward blacks never gets call…

> You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims

I'm not sure where you get this. If anything, you're the one perpetuating the victimhood mentality right now

> This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out

First of all, I'm not fond of the #StopAsianHate movement. It is populated with the same ironic Silicon Valley hypocrisy, and many "Boba Liberals" who mansplain privilege to us all. But notice that they named it Stop Asian Hate instead of Stop Asian Racism, as to not steal the thunder of Black Lives Matter.

FWIW, I personally don't consider all of this Asian hate. I consider it racism towards Asian.

> you paint all whites as bad faith actor

Nope, mainly just the hypocrisy of privileged Silicon Valley types from the suburbs who post a picture with the one black friend they have and use minorities as an excuse to shed their white guilt, instead of actually paying principal on two acres and a mule

> Unfortunately stop asian hate is only seen as stopping hate directed toward asians, it would be a much more effective strategy if asians and all people would take this to mean asians should also stop the hate the direct at others.

Is Black Lives Matter's strategy to stop racism towards directed white people? Is it strategy to uplift other minorities, or to detract from it as you are now. Many Asian people believe they are allies with blacks, but many blacks reflect your sentiment that they are fighting their own battle. If you believe your own people's plight takes precedence over others, I think that's fair, just don't be ironic about it and call it out when other people ( such as myself ) do the same for their own.

> This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out, this is why the name Latisha Harlins is never spoken and the perpetual racism of asians toward blacks never gets called out.

I actually wrote a dozen paragraph follow up to another commenter from Australia who was confused by the newfound Asian resentment and whether it was due to immigration. I brought up Google searching "Rooftop Koreans" ( which you can argue is form of Asian victimhood) and the idea in the black community that Asian businesses profit off blacks, which I'm sure you believe in given the tone and sentiment you're expressing here. I deleted it because I felt this thread was over and no one was actually going to read it, and potentially it will just feed into the division because it's hard to decouple the recent years from politics.

There's countless Asians on the left aka "Boba Liberals" who are very keen on mansplaining white supremacy to everyone, and also reminding the history of blacks and asians, the good blacks has done for all minorities, and reminding the Asian community of anti-blackness. I've also seen this in the reverse with blacks being allies to Asians. Then I've also seen many people like you who presume Stop Asian Hate is a euphemism for anti-blackness. Maybe you're the one projecting your own assumptions about who is perpetrating the Asian hate crimes. Everyone is on a spectrum, but your response paints all Asians as anti-black, but would also explain why your belief template interpets my comment as saying all blacks are perpetual victims and all whites are to blame. It's not helping your cause at all when even the "Boba Liberals" feel betrayed that their support of others is not reciprocated.

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This comment is rife with the bias that asians use to oppress other minorities, mainly blacks. Interestingly this is the one thing you do not allude to at all. You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims, you paint all whites as bad faith actors. This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out, this is why the name Latisha Harlins is never spoken and the perpetual racism of asians toward blacks never gets call…

> You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims I'm not sure where you get this. If anything, you're the one perpetuating the victimhood mentality right now > This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out First of all, I'm not fond of the #StopAsianHate movement. It is populated with the same ironic Silicon Valley hypocrisy, and many "Boba Liberals" who mansplain privilege to us all. But notice that they named…

I have no argument for any of these points, you are correct and I truly appreciate such a well though out response. I did not even know what a "Boba Liberal" was so I think I need to educate myself more on this topic.

One small NIT. I do not think I was "perpetuating" a victim mentality, but I can see how you may feel I was projecting.

Also, there are a number of asians who do in fact use "Stop Asian Hate" as a cloak for their own anti-black feelings. You should look into what is happening in Africa. Specifically Kenya.

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> You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims I'm not sure where you get this. If anything, you're the one perpetuating the victimhood mentality right now > This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out First of all, I'm not fond of the #StopAsianHate movement. It is populated with the same ironic Silicon Valley hypocrisy, and many "Boba Liberals" who mansplain privilege to us all. But notice that they named…

I have no argument for any of these points, you are correct and I truly appreciate such a well though out response. I did not even know what a "Boba Liberal" was so I think I need to educate myself more on this topic. One small NIT. I do not think I was "perpetuating" a victim mentality, but I can see how you may feel I was projecting. Also, there are a number of asians who do in fact use "Stop Asian Hate" as a cloak…

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I will get downvoted and flagged for sharing this context, but here it is anyways Silicon Valley is predominated by and attracts people who are left leaning. This ideology carries with it a narrative that there is an oppressed group and a oppressing group. In America, the form this narrative takes is that non-whites are oppressed by white supremacy. There is a notion that Asians are a “model minority” who fare better…

I lived in Australia during the years of media panic about Asian immigration, in the one of the areas with the greatest immigration from Asia. No one around me was panicking, our previously dull working class suburb was enriched and invigorated by the influx of new people. The hysteria came from people who didn't know immigrants personally but were perceiving immigration via the media, the nefarious hordes they feare…

> immigration

In recent decades, immigration animosity is usually directed towards Mexicans. Usually people are upset when they perceive their jobs are being "taken away", but the professions Asians are associated with in recent decades in accordance with that model minority myth are not the same set of jobs that are being threatened.

> I believe that people universally care about their material conditions of their lives, about being treated with respect

I think everyone would agree with this sentiment, however the far-left/medium-left now equate this sentiment to "All Lives Matter" and reaffirming white supremacy or even that Black Lives Don't.

I attended public school that was 25% black, 25% white, 25% latino, 25% asian. I always felt America was a tolerant place, but in recent years that has changed. The democratic party has shifted from the labor of party to being one of social issues and identity politics, while the republican party has in a way become about blue collar laborers. In my opinion, identity politics is to blame for this, but the situation is far too complex to point to a single or even a dozen things. I realized that, as a rule of thumb, most phenomenon in America can be parsed if you assume there is some private commercial interest at play. Things may start as grassroots, but eventually corporations taint the situation with their own agenda. Definitely Social Media and the attention economy which is fueled by controversy and polarization, "The Social Dilemma" may cover some of these bases.

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> You paint blacks as ignorant perpetual victims I'm not sure where you get this. If anything, you're the one perpetuating the victimhood mentality right now > This is the "asian hate" that never gets called out First of all, I'm not fond of the #StopAsianHate movement. It is populated with the same ironic Silicon Valley hypocrisy, and many "Boba Liberals" who mansplain privilege to us all. But notice that they named…

I have no argument for any of these points, you are correct and I truly appreciate such a well though out response. I did not even know what a "Boba Liberal" was so I think I need to educate myself more on this topic. One small NIT. I do not think I was "perpetuating" a victim mentality, but I can see how you may feel I was projecting. Also, there are a number of asians who do in fact use "Stop Asian Hate" as a cloak…

> Also, there are a number of asians who do in fact use "Stop Asian Hate" as a cloak for their own anti-black feelings

I agree

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I don’t know if that’s true. The worst violence caught in video has been from Blacks, but I think total reported instances still are non-Black.

Asians are the only racial group who is more likely to be a victim of crime by someone outside their own race (i.e. non asian), predominantly black perpetrators. It's insane.

It's not predominately black. Blacks are the biggest class of perpetrators, but between white/black/Asian, they are all relatively close. Typically each between 23-30%. You can say blacks are the plurality.

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I so wish American people learn a little history. Seeking narrative instead of truth always led to deceit, fiefdom, and atrocity.

You're only saying that because the person is black and not white.

Mind reading is a typical example of not seeking facts. You know the US was the lighthouse of education when I was in school? My teacher used the US as an example to show how important it is to be truth-seeking and to avoid logical fallacies like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Appeal_to_motive? Oh well, I guess attacking one's motive just serves all the progressives so well.

Re: An Asian Uber Driver Was Attacked by a Mob. Then YouTube Took Down His Video

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So theres a couple points after reading through this:

1. The driver in the article even says that this case might not be racially motivated. There was a fist fight going on and it was related to the passengers. Passengers got in the car and the group attacked the passengers and the driver.

2. There has been a lot of Asian rascism and hate crimes in America. There was some statistic that showed ~50% was from African Americans and ~30% from Latinos. News have been underreporting this in light of the statistics. This is a huge issue that media is hiding from us.

3. This rise in asian hate crimes might stem from harsher job market and rise in Chinese propaganda. In fact, it also seems like Black/Latino community after being oppressed so long is lashing out at another minority community. I would suggest it might stem from 1. A lack of financial opportunities and 2. Systemic oppression against Blacks in America. It's like how Trump likes to do it. Deflect the blame and hatred at others instead of really looking at the main issue.

Overall, both class and wealth inequality comes into play. I would suggest there's quite of things going on but what would improve it would be:

1. Start improving the education system in America. Education is usually correlated to higher wage, better working standards and job satisfaction. However not only improvements in STEM, but also in the Arts (History, World Literature, Philosophy, Finance? and others). When you lack a well-rounded education, you don't see beyond your current situation. You start discovering more about the world, more about other people's plight or your own and you understand the human condition. You see that the world is beyond just your current situation. "People who do not know history will end up repeating it" (Some person I dont know)

2. Change in Black culture. I'm not the most educated on this but there needs to be a change in African American arts/music. There needs to be a change from just victimization, gangbanging and "money" culture. Yes it is true there's is system oppression. Yes it is also true that Blacks should be able to express their frustrations and anger at society through music. But it should be towards a goal to reform society or to be conducive towards society. Right now, there's a mindset of creating division or rage against society or the police. We should build communities not destroy them.

Anyways, I don't know what I'm saying lol. Just rambling and trying to get my thoughts out. Steps are 1. Improve Education 2. Improve Wealth Generation 3. Build stronger communities (maybe?)

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Because most people who use that rhetoric will always imply the disparity exists because of genetic disposition rather than a social one. The logic tree goes from "black people commit a lot of violent crime" to "black people are dangerous" (then from there to other various racist tropes), while ignoring the mountain of other socioeconmic issues. Consider this, if I told you Koreans only make 1% of Japan but they make…

You make a very good point. Regarding the Korean example, I’d conclude that Koreans are more likely to get involved in organized crime in Japan because of structural factors of Japanese society and economy.

They are factually incorrect about 70% of the Yakuza being Korean.

"While ethnic Koreans make up only 0.5% of the Japanese population, they are a prominent part of Yakuza ... The Japanese National Police Agency suggested Koreans composed 10% of the Yakuza proper"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#:~:text=According%20to%...

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