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How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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The worst: pressing Enter to rename a file in finder. Command + Down arrow to open it. WTF!

Macbooks don’t have an Enter key. They have a Return key, which is different: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/47565/return-vs-en...

Your comment would have had more relevance 30 years ago but these days I think it's fine to use the terms interchangeably given 99.99999% of software these days use those keys interchangeably.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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I just helped a friend who is a lifetime windows user set up her new MBP M1. I was reminded how un-intuitive things are and how useful UI elements are hidden in the name of "simplicity". A lot of it for her is centered around the finder and accessing files in general. The two biggest issues she had was: 1) finder not easily acting as an image viewer. Eg, she had an SD card from her camera, and wanted to quickly scan…

1) hit space for Quick Look, then scroll through? Or use column view.

2) home folder is listed on the Sidebar by default (its name is the user short name, ie its actual name). If that is not there for some reason, go to Finder -> Preferences -> Sidebar.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Also, by default Finder seems to hide directory structure from you. This seems to be Apple thinking it'll confuse people if they can see 'up' directories, but I think just as often it confuses people like me who are trying and failing to go up. I use all three major desktop OSes regularly now, and overall Windows just feels like the most user-friendly and straightforward, though of course it too has issues (e.g. vari…

> Oh, and Linux seems to be by far the least stable. I have apps freezing the whole damn computer way more often there than the other two. How often is that? What hardware do you run it on? What distro do you use?

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Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Maybe it's a bug. I had plenty of those accumulating using mac for few months.

If finder has a window anywhere clicking on the finder in the dock doesn't open a new finder window - it just tries to bring the current one forward. If you have many windows, it can be hard to notice (especially if you have many monitors).

But this is the standard behavior for pretty much all apps on Mac OS, so if their complaint is specifically about Finder and not about the general behavior, that sounds like a bug to me.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Or "uninstalling" apps, always kind of confusing on Windows. Not on the Mac. Still, I think it's not that the Mac is not that intuitive any more, it's that Windows has more or less caught up.

Uninstalling on windows wasn't only confusing, it was straight up broken, since applications were leaving random junk everywhere in the filesystem. Bonus points for when that junk prevented subsequent install.

Or the dreaded DLL hell. I'm not a Windows user any more, but I think this does not happen any more.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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The filesystem is super confusing to tons of users. The reason people put crap all over their desktops is because they "lose" it if they put it anywhere else, while the desktop always stays "where it is". I don't think anyone's come up with a good solution to that problem, yet (Apple's isn't very good, and Windows' similar moves with its defaults aren't any better) and we're far enough into computers being common tha…

Believe it or not, the way the filesystem worked on the original Mac operating system was that things did stay where you put them. Open a disk and the folders on it could be put anywhere in that 2D space, and each folder's contents could similarly be anywhere in their virtual 2D space, and each disk/folder opened in its own window that even re-opened in exactly the same position with exactly the same size as when you…

Gnome did this in 3.0 and called it spatial browsing. It was awful with a hierarchy 5 folders deep you ended up opening 5 windows.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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If finder has a window anywhere clicking on the finder in the dock doesn't open a new finder window - it just tries to bring the current one forward. If you have many windows, it can be hard to notice (especially if you have many monitors).

But this is the standard behavior for pretty much all apps on Mac OS, so if their complaint is specifically about Finder and not about the general behavior, that sounds like a bug to me.

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Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Once I got to a certain place in my coding knowledge, I stopped caring so much about the different OSes. Once you see the abstractions you know what layer to look for. Is the thing a UI problem or a network config problem? Normally it's clear once you've coded a bit. I like my MacBook mainly because of the screen, and a little bit because of the touchpad. Those are both hardware considerations rather than OS. In term…

I don't really care between macOS or various *nix, but I really despise using Windows. The last time I seriously used Windows (granted, probably about seven years ago), I was astonished that the OS still required (or at least strongly urged) me to reboot after I installed anything. Small little shoddy UI quirks on Windows kept me frustrated, e.g. not being able to find anything in the control panel, or especially tha…

My favourite unintuitive action comes from Windows 8 (before 8.1). Here I was, with an IT education, unable to figure out how to shut down the computer!

It wasn't in the start menu like in every other Windows version before and after. No, to do that you needed to swipe from the right side of the screen for some sort of a system sidebar to appear (I believe it was called "charms"). I've used the cmd command I was familiar with for months (shutdown -s -t 0) before finally deciding to consult with a search engine, and oh boy, was I pissed when I found out where it was.

Super glad I never have to touch Windows to do my work now.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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A better search functionality would help.

What do you mean? It’s very good. Just have to change the finder pref to only search current and subfolders

And we’re on Hacker News and it’s a Unix system, why are we even talking about Finder.app for searching...? Use mdfind.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#180
I just went through the same 2012 Air -> 2020 Air process last week. I gave in after spending two weeks trying to get Ubuntu working on a Dell XPS 13 with bluetooth, my dock, wifi, a retina display, USB, etc, etc. I gave up when connecting my bluetooth speaker sent my kernel into a loop and sent the computer back to Dell.

There are a million dumb things to quibble over with MacOS, but at least it's not Ubuntu.

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