Very few things are intuitive. Is it intuitive to brush your teeth? No it is not. I spent years brushing my teeth incorrectly and paid for that as a kid until a dentist showed it to me. Is it intuitive to tie your shoelaces? No, you learn it. Your tie knot? Is it intuitive learning to read and write? No, it takes years of practice. Is it intuitive memorizing the presidents or the States of the US, the capitals and co…
How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
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Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
#132I bought a Mac in 2014 after a lifetime of using Windows. I never understood why people called it easier to use than Windows. Maybe this sentiment is a holdover from an earlier era when people would mindlessly run executables and zip files attached in emails and AIM messages. From a UI perspective, it's 90% identical to windows. From a UX perspective though, something fundamental like Finder is still not up to the jo…
Also, by default Finder seems to hide directory structure from you. This seems to be Apple thinking it'll confuse people if they can see 'up' directories, but I think just as often it confuses people like me who are trying and failing to go up. I use all three major desktop OSes regularly now, and overall Windows just feels like the most user-friendly and straightforward, though of course it too has issues (e.g. vari…
Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
#133I would love to see a post like this that depicts all the ways you can install on Windows, macOS & Linux (as both a consumer & developer). The DMG experience is a little off as the author suggests & the App store is super easy (as are shared purchases). I briefly set up a Mac mini to use Ubuntu & Mint and found Snap and other ways of installing much more cumbersome; especially when I installed something and wanted an…
I personally find it infuriating how Linux manages to screw this up. I blame a lot of things, like the propensity to hardcode paths and separate files by type leading to the (in my opinion) awful .desktop file standard. In older versions of Windows, the menu was just a menuized view of a folder structure (which largely contained shortucts but could contain anything).
Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
#134I bought a Mac in 2014 after a lifetime of using Windows. I never understood why people called it easier to use than Windows. Maybe this sentiment is a holdover from an earlier era when people would mindlessly run executables and zip files attached in emails and AIM messages. From a UI perspective, it's 90% identical to windows. From a UX perspective though, something fundamental like Finder is still not up to the jo…
2. Right-click on the folder name in a Finder window to see and go up the folder hierarchy.
3. Make sure Finder is active and go to the View menu and select Show Path Bar.
4. I'm not sure what you're talking about with Sort View here, but Windows works the same as macOS and on both platforms, you can have it both ways.
Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
> well the usual fx keys aren't doing it When you say the 'usual' function keys... do you really mean some other system's function keys? Why would you expect macOS to use the same function keys as a different system? There's no standards body for these things.
> There's no standards body for these things. Yes there is -- it's called CUA (Common User Access) "The subset of CUA implemented in Microsoft Windows or OSF/Motif is generally considered a de facto standard to be followed by any new Unix GUI environment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access
Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
#136I bought a Mac in 2014 after a lifetime of using Windows. I never understood why people called it easier to use than Windows. Maybe this sentiment is a holdover from an earlier era when people would mindlessly run executables and zip files attached in emails and AIM messages. From a UI perspective, it's 90% identical to windows. From a UX perspective though, something fundamental like Finder is still not up to the jo…
Also, by default Finder seems to hide directory structure from you. This seems to be Apple thinking it'll confuse people if they can see 'up' directories, but I think just as often it confuses people like me who are trying and failing to go up. I use all three major desktop OSes regularly now, and overall Windows just feels like the most user-friendly and straightforward, though of course it too has issues (e.g. vari…
Cmd-click on the folder in the Finder window title, and go up as far as you want?
Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
#137Funny, I remember 20 years ago people being excited about the "Drag to Applications" to install and calling it an example of extremely good -- as they would call it today -- UX.
I miss this.
Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, by default Finder seems to hide directory structure from you. This seems to be Apple thinking it'll confuse people if they can see 'up' directories, but I think just as often it confuses people like me who are trying and failing to go up. I use all three major desktop OSes regularly now, and overall Windows just feels like the most user-friendly and straightforward, though of course it too has issues (e.g. vari…
The filesystem is super confusing to tons of users. The reason people put crap all over their desktops is because they "lose" it if they put it anywhere else, while the desktop always stays "where it is". I don't think anyone's come up with a good solution to that problem, yet (Apple's isn't very good, and Windows' similar moves with its defaults aren't any better) and we're far enough into computers being common tha…
Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
#139I bought a Mac in 2014 after a lifetime of using Windows. I never understood why people called it easier to use than Windows. Maybe this sentiment is a holdover from an earlier era when people would mindlessly run executables and zip files attached in emails and AIM messages. From a UI perspective, it's 90% identical to windows. From a UX perspective though, something fundamental like Finder is still not up to the jo…
I think this is a common view held by experienced computer users, because they don't consider which parts of their own usage patterns are a component of their advanced knowledge, and which are inherent to all users. For example: an experienced user is more likely to notice that closing a window in macOS backgrounds the app, and more likely to figure out how to fully exit the app process completely (either via Cmd+Q o…
Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
The inability to easily go to $HOME in Finder is of great annoyance to mevwhen combined with app signing. Hashicorp seems to run into this most often - download a new version of Terraform/Packer/whatever, install to ~/.terraform.d/plugins/darwin_amd64, and MacOS sternly tells me I can't run it, with zero instructions on how to proceed. Manually type the path in Finder/Go, Option+Open the binary, then you're good to g…
Are you saying that it's not intuitive for the end user to press Cmd-G, type ~, and then click OK to land in a "home" folder where the majority of the important configuration files are hidden by default?