Whenever I hear "algorithm" anymore, I see it as the "statistics" of the past. This entire thing is a product of math washing[1].
YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
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#172Stop buying into the "the AI did it" whitewashing. Youtube is selectively targeting more and more channels and videos for daring to be any sort of contrarian. Its psyops under any other name.
It's not a "psyops", YouTube, like every gigantic corporation is motivated entirely by money, and they would be happy to monetize every video on the site if they could, but advertisers pay the bills, and since advertisers are sensitive to their public image, YouTube goes out of their way to appease them. The problem here is the ad model, not AI or YouTube's values.
That's an outdated view. Youtube now bends to activists and political winds.
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#173I don't see any mention of the other thing that would be a concern to me - don't ever be in a situation where any Google product is critical to you, because the behemoth may casually destroy you as a side effect. What if instead of locking him for a week they'd canceled his account (and related accounts e.g. Gmail, plus linked accounts because 'bypassing ban')? And you don't have to be doing something like discussing…
> And what are you going to do about it? Call customer service?
I know it's not perfect but I feel much better knowing I pay for my email service, online storage and password management, knowing I'll be a paying customer in someone's system deserving of at least some degree of customer service.
Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a "psyops", YouTube, like every gigantic corporation is motivated entirely by money, and they would be happy to monetize every video on the site if they could, but advertisers pay the bills, and since advertisers are sensitive to their public image, YouTube goes out of their way to appease them. The problem here is the ad model, not AI or YouTube's values.
That's an outdated view. Youtube now bends to activists and political winds.
So what is the activist political position on WPA2 vulnerabilities?
You see what you want to see, but YouTube hosts an overwhelming abundance of evidence that contradicts your claim.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
> >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Youtube is in the same economic vice as Walmart. It's hard to be cheap and provide a human touch, especially as labor costs rise. Automation only takes you so far in a free economy.
walmart actually does have customer service in stores. amazon also tries it best to provide customer service (want a return, here is shipping label). the problem with youtube is that you are not youtube's customer, so the dont care about you. Only advertisers are customers and youtube cares about them only. I bet there is a big customer support department staffed with real people and serves only advertisers
It's hard to argue that Walmart and Amazon are much more considerate of their "users" than Youtube. They are all trying to maximize margins, which are dependent on maintaining network effects and keeping costs as low as possible.
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#176YouTube's content policy is bizare. Children in my family seem to watch videos of Spiderman dry humping Elsa or grannies kicking people in the nuts, but then they remove stuff like this. I guess this is what happens when advertisers are the main priority and the moderators have all been replaced with robots. Content that may actually harm the development of children is considered fine, while someone posting a slightl…
Knowing that that's what the kids are watching, why are you still allowing them to have access to YouTube?
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But a bad actor can only do so much if manual reviews are involved. If they’re a completely new account because their previous accounts have been banned, accessing on a new device because their previous Alphabet-surveilled fingerprint had been banned, or on a VPN because their IP has been banned, YouTube could just implement manual review which would slow such a bad actor down. And if the intent is to clog up the man…
If you change the MAC address on your cable modem you can get tons of different IPs. Same thing with cellular networks. With raspberryPis so cheap, fingerprints don't work that well for all devices.
There are relatively few people capable of doing this compared to the population of the world that uses YouTube, and there’s even fewer people who, even with capacity, will be doing this just to upload illegal content into YouTube. I think this sizes down the problem of manual review quite easily.
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Who pays for the moderators? You still need a lot of manpower if you don't want algorithms, regardless of whether you have one Youtube or a thousand SpecialInterestTube.
Tech is very special in a way where they can get away with claiming that quite a lot is not possible at their scale. Imagine this for other industries. "We cannot do quality control before sending products out. We make too much stuff." "We don't check all tickets for the venue. Too many people." "Cleaning the entire building is not possible. It's too much space."
"We cannot do quality control before sending products out. We make too much stuff."
Ever buy strawberries?
"We don't check all tickets for the venue. Too many people."
Train conductors often check tickets after the train has started moving.
"Cleaning the entire building is not possible. It's too much space."
Climate change. Dirty streets.
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export all of your email to Protonmail and stop sucking on that Google breast
I'm seriously considering it, but I'm a heavy IMAP user. When you enable IMAP in ProtonMail, it's no different than any other mail provider, security wise. This is the dilemma for me.
I used to be also but now use the protonmail app on my phone. And this on my desktop https://github.com/vladimiry/ElectronMail
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this will make it very easy to develop adversarial algorithm and avoid detection by youtube's system
That would literally beat the current situation by a country mile. The goal isn't to perfect the YouTube flagging algo, after all ... an adversarial algo is a small price to pay.
>That would literally beat the current situation by a country mile.
I don't think google agrees.